I can't seem get Vanheim to work. Need some help.

[Boron]

Huzurdaddi said:
I totally disagree with FrankTrollman here. Sacred troops with the matching bless ( Truper did a good job describing a few ) whomp normal troops very, very badly.

Exactly. Especially with a f9w9 bless you get a ****load of attacks and any normal melee troops, even good ones like Principes have a hard time hitting the f9w9 blessed troop while during a quickness round this blessed troop dishes out up to 8 attacks with a really good attack rating of 14+.

Huzurdaddi said:

The only national troop that is cost effective aginst a highly blessed troops is crossbows.

I find targeting with X-bows difficult if the bless troop user uses a few decoys.
Then you can't target the main bunch of blessed troops and with the quickness bless they usually need not long to get to the X-bows.

[FrankTrollman]

Don't you have to take really crappy scales to afford F9 W9 or some such?

Yes. Yes you do.

Let's assume for the moment a dominion score of 6 (the minimum needed to keep a Ceremonial Faith Man from just Preaching you off the map), and Fire 9, and Water 9.

That costs a variable amount depending upon what god you take, because magic picks cost 8 points triangular past the starting value and Dominion costs 7 points triangular past the starting dominion.

The cheapest is a Moloch, which costs only 707 points for that set-up.

Other options include a Dragon (Blue or Red) at 776 points, a Golden Naga at 801 points, a Frost Father at 810 points, and a Monolith at a cool 845 points (with the advantage that you actually have a point of Nature and a point of Astral, so for only 48 more points your blessed troops can have berserking or bonus MR).

That's all well and good, but as Vanheim you only get 540 points to start with (assuming the Cold 1 that Vanheim already gets as a gimme), so even the cheapest option there is going to require a total of 5 net points of negative scales. Good luck with that.

-Frank

[Graeme Dice]

FrankTrollman said:
That's all well and good, but as Vanheim you only get 540 points to start with (assuming the Cold 1 that Vanheim already gets as a gimme), so even the cheapest option there is going to require a total of 5 net points of negative scales. Good luck with that.

5 negative scales are pretty easy to run with for many nations, especially when using sacred troops that cost few resources. For Vanheim, you have an easy F9W9 Moloch with order 3, sloth 3, cold 1, death 2, misfortune 3, neutral magic and dominion 7.