Conceptual Balance Series (Mod)

[Saber Cherry]

Then it can't get poisoned, hurt, or repelled from head-butting. Only things with length, or armored things (like horns and scorpion stingers) should have length > 0.

[Graeme Dice]

Saber Cherry said:
Then it can't get poisoned, hurt, or repelled from head-butting.

That would be the point, if it's going to be as good as wing buffet currently is.

Only things with length, or armored things (like horns and scorpion stingers) should have length > 0.

Or wing buffet, which repels pretty much everything other than pikes and lances.

[Turin]

I have made a modified blackunitview map containing all the units zen has changed in his spell mod. That hopefully helps to make comparisons easier.

[ioticus]

Turin said:
I have made a modified blackunitview map containing all the units zen has changed in his spell mod. That hopefully helps to make comparisons easier.

I tried it out but I don't see any difference in Zen's units and the unmodded units, at least on the Devil and Vine Ogre that I checked.

[Cainehill]

ioticus said:
I tried it out but I don't see any difference in Zen's units and the unmodded units, at least on the Devil and Vine Ogre that I checked.

Too tired to jot down the stats on devils from unmodded to modded, but the vine ogre has 10 protection instead of 5.

[Endoperez]

ioticus said:

I tried it out but I don't see any difference in Zen's units and the unmodded units, at least on the Devil and Vine Ogre that I checked.

Did you enable Zen's mod first...

I forgot to enable the heroes upgrade mod when viewing that map, so you wouldn't be the only one...

[ioticus]

Endoperez said:

Did you enable Zen's mod first...

I forgot to enable the heroes upgrade mod when viewing that map, so you wouldn't be the only one...

Uh, Doh! That was it, thanks.

[Turin]

Regarding the conceptual pretender mod, I get the feeling that almost all the human pretenders are still pretty useless. Spending 50-100(1-2 scales) points more and actually getting a decent combat chassis(naga) seems to be a dominant strategy.

In addition most humans seem to be pretty generic. a rime mariner/master druid/freak lord is just an archmage with cold resistance and one path preplaced.

So I´ve modified zen´s mod for myself, so that it raises their skill in their primary path to 2, gives the archmage 1 in every path and raises his cost, gives glamour to the arch seraph, gives the great sage a researchbonus of 20 and raises death on the bog mummy to 2(because you´d much rather take the dracolich or a normal lich than her).

But even with those changes I don´t feel that they are particularly good choices, because specialists are usually simply better than rainbows.

[PDF]

Myself I just don't like the -10 damage "trick". Instead of being exceptionnally good Lifedrain weapons become near useless, and everyone will switch to Duskdagger+Sword of Quickness or whatever combo instead. Up to the time when someone will mod Duskdagger to be dam 2 nostr and Sword of quickness 4W !
Bloodthorn as a Blood booster but useless weapon is fine.

Arralen, I'm not that sure STR30+ SC are that common.
In fact only few Pretenders have that level, even Demons/Devils are in the 20s...

[Nerfix]

SoQ is good but I don't think it is overpowered. It only does damage and attacks only as many times as a common flail.