OT: Stupid Nazis

[AMF]

Renegade 13 said:
TerranC, you are blaming a whole segment of society for the sins of the few. Take homosexuality for example. You said "Homosexuals have never lynched...Heterosexuals for simply...talking with a gay man" Probably true, and there have been a few unfortunate isolated instances where "gay bashing" has occured. However, the way you phrased your reply lumped all heterosexuals in with those who took the route of violence.

Generally, the incidence rate of a crime has little to do with how reprehensible we find it. Just becuase something is isolated, does not make it any less wrong.

Lynching, in the traditional sense of the term, was also "isolated" in its' ocurrence. Despite that it happened only in "isolated" instances does not mitigate it's vileness.

The vileness of such a crime comes from the fact that it is an assualt upon the very definition of a person. A person who is black, or purple, or whatever, cannot change that fact - and an assualt upon them based on that very fact is generally understood to be more than just a "regular" assualt. I beleive this is part of the definition of hate crime: if I go out and murder someone, I have committed murder. But if I go out and murder the same person becuase they are white, then I have committed a hate crime - at least some would say.

Generally, I think in discussions like this I always come back to the idea that if one doesn't like homosexuality, don;t be homosexual. If one doesn't like Nazism, don't be a nazi. If one doesn't like relations before marriage, don't do it before marriage. If one doesn't like abortions, don't have one.

Frankly, just as I would fight to the death for the right of someone to burn a US flag or march in a Nazi march, I would find those acts just as reprehensible. But the Free Speech amendment is there for a reason. Possibly the most important reason in human history.

Alarik

[Starhawk]

TerranC point being saying "Black Power" movements have never caused a World War is sort of like saying it's all the White man's fault that there were wars when let's be honest Black Power movements are not made up of the most charismatic or intelligent folks in the world I mean look at the "Muslim Brotherhood" they are irritating as hell even to the majority of black people I've met (although some are almost as bad in their own ways) and the Black Panthers are just morons all way around.

So if you want to "generalize' I think you'd have to say the only reason black power movements have never caused a world war is because the vast majority of those in Black Power movements aren't bright enough or charismatic enough to gain any kind of real power.

And if you looked at Germany the Nazi party gained power because the vast majority of Europeans are white yes, but also because in a way they rebuilt the German infrastructure they made Germany powerful again and they appealed not to "White pride" but GERMAN pride and GERMAN heritage as their rallying point, and as they "Liberated other Germanic nations" from the "oppression" of other countries the Germans and even hundreds of thousands of others from other surrounding nations were in a way pleased to see their "original" heritage being honored again and rising to power again after so long.

It's a little known fact but there were actually HUNDREDS of AMERICANS in the German Army during WWII and I do mean pure blooded born and bred Americans that were of German heritage and who were sent over by their families to "Fight for your Fatherland".

It was not "racism" alone That caused WWII but a mixture of economic and political problems that gave the Nazi Party it's break in the world to raise an army and get it's people riled up.

And the Modern "Neo-Nazis" obviously have never studied history as

1. They claim to be socialist while the real Nazi's who they claim to emulate were Fascist

2. They are an undisciplined bunch of idiots while the original Nazis were strict and regimented to keep the people in line.

3. The modern "Nazis" go around yelling Zeig Heil (sp?) which I've been told means "Victory and Welfare" about thirty times in a row and stomping and throwing a half assed Nazi salute.
While you'd only ever hear the real Nazis say it a handful of times in any given "ralley" much like we'd say "God bless America" or in the case of Brits "God Save the Queen" nobody would be stomping or shouting it like idiots either. I just find that funny is all.

And let's face it the modern "White Power" movements have NEVER caused a world war and probobly never will so you can NOT say "White Power movements" or White anything caused WWII because your seriously forgetting the Japanese and I don't think they subscribed to "White Power" do you?

Finally i have to say it here to risk offending anyone or sounding a little racist if I do sound racist I'm sorry but here it is anyway.

The vast majority of countries who's main populace is black (I'm damn well not saying "African American" because there are a BUNCH of countries who aren't american but are black) are dirt poor and too busy dealing with "Drugs, tribal warfare, ethnic cleansing" and other crap to cause any world wide trouble I mean have you looked at Africa lately....two words "Hell Hole" not to mention primitive people who still beleive in zombies for crying out loud! Are these the people you think would be ABLE to start a world war?

So if you want to stick to "racial" theories the only reason black people have never started a world war is because they can't run their own countries much less anyone else's.

(I personally am NOT racist my best friend for a long time was a black guy I knew, I've asked out a Chinese girl and I've had several black friends)

But race wise let's look at it from a standoffish point of view if your want to stick to which "races" are more likely to cause a world war it's going to be white's and Asians because if you even look at Neighborhoods within the US white and Asian majority neighborhoods have far less crime then black neighborhoods not to mention the ghetto and the fact that Africa is basically one giant ghetto for the most part.

[Starhawk]

You know what's funny I didn't even mean this to turn into a big "battle of the racial who dun'its" debate I just wanted to vent about the fact that I can't beleive Nazi's would be coming to my area lol

[Renegade 13]

Post deleted due to insignificance. Let's let this die.

[TerranC]

Starhawk said:
TerranC point being saying "Black Power" movements have never caused a World War is sort of like saying it's all the White man's fault that there were wars

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TerranC said:
My comparison of heterosexuals regards to their relationship with homosexuals and americans of african descent and americans of european descent was only invoked to rebuke AT's flawed comparison of white power movements to black power movements or gay pride movements. I, in no way possible, said, meant to say, or alluded to saying that all whites are KKK members, or all germans are Nazis

So if you want to "generalize' I think you'd have to say the only reason black power movements have never caused a world war is because the vast majority of those in Black Power movements aren't bright enough or charismatic enough to gain any kind of real power.

The only reason black power movements have never caused a world war is they don't preach it.

As for your very, very flawed comment about no one in black power movements being charismatic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Garvey

And if you looked at Germany the Nazi party gained power because the vast majority of Europeans are white yes,

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but also because in a way they rebuilt the German infrastructure they made Germany powerful again

They did that after they gained power as a means of preparing for an efficient and massive invasion. Germany being powerful and rich for their own sakes was not part of the plan.

and they appealed not to "White pride" but GERMAN pride and GERMAN heritage as their rallying point,

They never appealed to the german public for their appeals to "German Pride" and German Heritage; They were first elected to the Reichstag because of their views on the economy, and then just barely. As Hitler set in motion his expanssionistic policies, he needed to justify them: their ideas of "german pride" and "german heritage" fit perfectly. After those ideas had outgrown their use, they were warped into the "aryan pride" and "aryan heritage" ideals we know now, which proposes that Germany isn't even German in the first place.

and as they "Liberated other Germanic nations" from the "oppression" of other countries the Germans and even hundreds of thousands of others from other surrounding nations were in a way pleased to see their "original" heritage being honored again and rising to power again after so long.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-Lorraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschlu..._the_Anschluss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_T...d_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...dash.3B1945.29

It's a little known fact but there were actually HUNDREDS of AMERICANS in the German Army during WWII and I do mean pure blooded born and bred Americans that were of German heritage and who were sent over by their families to "Fight for your Fatherland".

And they were promptly killed/maimed/imprisonned/dragged off to gulags for being fanatics and simpletons. What's your point?

It was not "racism" alone That caused WWII but a mixture of economic and political problems that gave the Nazi Party it's break in the world to raise an army and get it's people riled up.

I'm not arguing that, and I have never alluded to arguing that.

1. They claim to be socialist while the real Nazi's who they claim to emulate were Fascist

You mean national socialist, which is fascist.

2. They are an undisciplined bunch of idiots while the original Nazis were strict and regimented to keep the people in line.

Which (strict regimentation) appeals to those who are undisciplined in their own upbringing.

3. The modern "Nazis" go around yelling Zeig Heil (sp?) which I've been told means "Victory and Welfare" about thirty times in a row and stomping and throwing a half assed Nazi salute.
While you'd only ever hear the real Nazis say it a handful of times in any given "ralley" much like we'd say "God bless America" or in the case of Brits "God Save the Queen" nobody would be stomping or shouting it like idiots either. I just find that funny is all.

... I won't get into the wrongness of equating Seig Heil and the sort with "God bless america" and "God save the queen" and other sort of patriotic cries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieg_heil

And let's face it the modern "White Power" movements have NEVER caused a world war and probobly never will so you can NOT say "White Power movements" or White anything caused WWII

Just what are you trying to say here? Those who are Nazis today weren't the Nazis of yesterday so they're alright? The Nazis of today are docile creatures who wouldn't dare to dream about WW3 and the sort?

because your seriously forgetting the Japanese and I don't think they subscribed to "White Power" do you?

They subscribed the idea of Japanese Exceptionalism, which might as well be a Japanese version of White Power.

The vast majority of countries who's main populace is black are dirt poor and too busy dealing with "Drugs, tribal warfare, ethnic cleansing" and other crap to cause any world wide trouble I mean have you looked at Africa lately....two words "Hell Hole" not to mention primitive people who still beleive in zombies for crying out loud! Are these the people you think would be ABLE to start a world war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War

[Atrocities]

CAN WE PLEASE JUST LET THIS TOPIC GO?

[mottlee]

LOCK IT....DELETE IT!

[NullAshton]

I agree. Let's shove this off into the pits of the archives, never to be seen again by mortal eyes.

[Will]

Starhawk said:
And as least you can say of hte white power movements they don't destroy their own neighborhoods to protest "The Black Man's opression" like those race riots back in the 90s where those moronic black power movements riled up so much discontent that those idiots burned their own neighborhoods which just made me laugh my *** off it's like "Yeah that's a great way to show your our equals, burn your own damn neighborhoods and buisnesses" lol

If "those race riots back in the 90s" you're refering to are the LA Riots, I think you need to read up on the history behind it a little more. The riots only superficially seemed to be racial; while it was mostly black and hispanics that participated, there were a number of whites as well. What they all had in common was they were poor, had no jobs because of the downturned economy, and lived in an area largely neglected by the powers-that-be in LA. The riots were an expression of anger over the verdict in the Rodney King trial, where four LAPD officers were acquitted of wrongdoing in their beating of a black man (and IIRC, they were acquitted in a trial held in a mostly white and asian upper middle class town in the Valley). It was the straw that broke the camels back, to use the cliche. There were also a few other incidents leading up to the riots that fueled malcontent.

To say that is was a "black power" thing is simply flat out wrong. It was really more of a thing of poor people lashing out at the more affluent and people in power. "Burning their own neighborhoods" might seem like a stupid thing to you. And it is, but not for the reasons you think. It's stupid because it's a senseless act of destruction, but there is nothing about South Central, Watts, etc. that these people "owned". And that's part of the cause for them lashing out.

[Atrocities]

I WILL REPEAT IT FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUEMENT, WHAT DO YOU SAY WE JUST LET THIS ONE GO PEOPLE