obat06: France

narwan · #1 June 26th, 2005, 03:24 PM

Sure, but you can make a 'separate' weapon for it to distinguish between primairy and secondairy weapon slots. For the units where it is a primairy weapon (like the two types I mentioned) you can have the actual differentiated values. If there is a difference in actual performance that is.

I had thought about including a question in my first post on how the game distinguishes between AP and sabot for the AMX30 (in other words, is the value used there the right one for for AP penetration or for sabot penetration?).

PlasmaKrab · #2 June 26th, 2005, 03:34 PM

Erm, sorry to tell you, but there are.

Nevertheless, both weapons (one for secondary and one for primary) have the very same ratings, including same AP and sabot PEN and range.
Which is quite annoying I grant you.

But behold, what ammo do you pout into your coax 20mm? If you have BOTH AP and APDS handy; and can fit only one? Maybe that's why there are similar capacities for both.

No, wait, the AP vs Sabot rating changes in the AMX10P with the time.
So I guess it was meant to improve something.

Maybe APCR rounds are hard-coded to give better results but I doubt it, since it can also represent weaker AP round.

To put it shortly, dunno

narwan · #3 June 26th, 2005, 05:52 PM

Don't be sorry, I already assumed there was a difference!

For the coax weapon it's indeed tricky to decide what value to use if the unit was equiped with both AP and sabot. But for primairy weapons there shouldn't be a problem to differentiate.

Let's see if anyone can come up with some penetration specs for the two ammo types (for both the 693 and 811).

narwan

PlasmaKrab · #4 June 26th, 2005, 06:09 PM

(Nearly) got it!

Got some tech spefs for latest tungsten-core AP-T 20mm ammo for 20*102mm gun M621, while the M693 uses 20*139mm cartridge!

However, this 20*139 cartridge is also used by Rheinmetall's Rh-202, in the US M-139 and Oerlikon's KAD/HS830, which you can all find in the oobs. I guess the pen. specs should be nearly the same. Barrel length shouldn't vary wildly, and I'd the ammo is NATO standard!

So maybe this can elp. And I'll try to extract some more info from there:
http://www.giat-industries.fr/asp/us/feu.asp

Cheers, and good hunt!

Plasma

SCAJolly · #5 June 26th, 2005, 08:50 PM

ICON error: Unit 055, AMX-30 Roland ('86-2020). While the Roland for 'xx-'85 (#54) displays the correct icon during play, the most modern one does not. It's icon features the chassis without the turret, as well as three men loading the "gun" (as seen on most field gun-pieces). Strange thing is that both these units use the same icons.
Could someone doublecheck this one for me?

Mobhack · #6 June 26th, 2005, 09:25 PM

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SCAJolly said:
ICON error: Unit 055, AMX-30 Roland ('86-2020). While the Roland for 'xx-'85 (#54) displays the correct icon during play, the most modern one does not. It's icon features the chassis without the turret, as well as three men loading the "gun" (as seen on most field gun-pieces). Strange thing is that both these units use the same icons.
Could someone doublecheck this one for me?

Shows the correct icon for me - in green or desert conditions. (Tried vs FRG and Egypt in 86). Ditto in Mobhack as for the game.

Have you loaded SHP files from another source?
Is this in a scenario? A modified OOB?

Cheers
Andy

SCAJolly · #7 June 26th, 2005, 09:38 PM

Weird.

Self-made scenario, no tweaks whatsoever. When I tried the units this time, they all looked fine. Perhaps winSP turns a bit erratic the same way DOSSP did, with that file you had to delete every now and then?

I actually took a screenshot of this, but it turned out black and mushy.

Listy · #8 June 28th, 2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

SCAJolly said:
ICON error: Unit 055, AMX-30 Roland ('86-2020). While the Roland for 'xx-'85 (#54) displays the correct icon during play, the most modern one does not. It's icon features the chassis without the turret, as well as three men loading the "gun" (as seen on most field gun-pieces). Strange thing is that both these units use the same icons.
Could someone doublecheck this one for me?

Soundsl iek someone's made into an area Sam class weapon. those don't have turrets, but do have crew. you need a sperate Icon for that including the turret. I made that mistake when playing around with the Raipier SAM.