obat66 Sweden

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Backis said:
I'd be interested in contributing my work so far, or gladly accept help in getting the OOB and picklist part sorted out, while Im almost done with my take on the ToE (mainly artillery and AA left to do), or just to be a ballplank to bounce ideas off.

Sounds great, and it would be nice if you could upload your OOB so we could get a sneak peek on it and see what we could help with.
I know that there is a ton of changes and addons that I would like to do, but you may have allready done them.
For example adding "all" our "rapid" deployment units as well as future battlegroup elements.
But it would be nice if you could upload your OOB in this thread, and if we could have that one to work from?

Btw, what kind of experience are we together sitting on?

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...and what must one do around here to get this thread stickied? Even East Germany have gotten that privilage, and thats not even a country any more!

[SCAJolly]

I feel your pain, svenske.

[JohnT]

Pergite said:
...and what must one do around here to get this thread stickied? Even East Germany have gotten that privilage, and thats not even a country any more!

Think we have to step into the line.

First I'd like the update to be part of the game,
So any changes has to be entered as proposals for SP:Cammo.
And a log of what is changed, or just noting that Units/formations 500- are new.
(Best to check with the OB.manager)

Can't just update an OB from SP:MBT, it has to follow the standards of WinMBT.
Updated SP:MBT is a good start but a pain to keep it in sync with the game if the changes made by "us" are not part of the basic game.

(Imagine the work done when someone decides to change on value for one weapon and has too walk trough all OOB's findning copies, preferably with local names.)


To be continuated..
/John T.

[Backis]

Pergite said:
Sounds great, and it would be nice if you could upload your OOB so we could get a sneak peek on it and see what we could help with.

I know that there is a ton of changes and addons that I would like to do, but you may have allready done them.
For example adding "all" our "rapid" deployment units as well as future battlegroup elements.

But it would be nice if you could upload your OOB in this thread, and if we could have that one to work from?

Note that my WinSPMBT obat is a WIP and broken. I can upload it but its just an incomplete set of units as of now. I haven't remade the formations and the new units list is not compatible with the old one at all.

I'll just remove the worst offenders of WIP inclusions and post what there is later today.

Pergite said:
Btw, what kind of experience are we together sitting on?

Wargame player since ~89.

Served as a doghandler in the airforce 95-96.

Otherwise just way to interested in green stuff that goes boom.

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Backis said:
Note that my WinSPMBT obat is a WIP and broken. I can upload it but its just an incomplete set of units as of now. I haven't remade the formations and the new units list is not compatible with the old one at all.

Its OK, I just wanted to see what you had changed so I dont start of on my own crusade, doing the same work twice.

Otherwise just way to interested in green stuff that goes boom.

Yes, indeed what a sad bunch of misfits we really are

[Backis]

Mkay, here it is (I hope)

I'm currently arguing with the utility vehicles and haven't gone icon-chasing for the naval stuff yet, so ignore these.

Pics and sounds have been set though, so if you feel like it set some things up in the "TEST" formation and take it for a adrive and listen.

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Backis said:
Mkay, here it is (I hope)

Wow, this really looks researched.
The new 40mm A/C sound is rather nice(8 rounds of destruction)

I see that you have included alot of imaginary equipment as well, like a future tracked vehicle but isnt the CV90 chassi enough? And what plattform is the HKP17 based on? Tiger? Anyway, its good to plan ahead for better days

The Archer model really looks as beautiful as in real life. And how do the different radars work? Are they some kind of all seeing FO:s?

Did you have a problem with the utility vehicles, or what do you currently need help with?

[Backis]

Pergite said:


Wow, this really looks researched.
The new 40mm A/C sound is rather nice(8 rounds of destruction)

I know its a bit much...

I see that you have included alot of imaginary equipment as well, like a future tracked vehicle but isnt the CV90 chassi enough?

That is the Alvis Hägglunds SEP, and procurement plans for 2010 exists for this platform. Of course the project might very well be terminated, but it hasn't been so far.

CV90 is a very good chassi, but its expensive. The SEP is intended to supplant the "specialist" roles in a more cost effective manner, and also allow us to replace the MT-LB and Patria APC's, which will be worn out by then.

For the OOB, I chose to "assume" replacements will take place.

We got a pbv401 and 501, so I just assigned 601 to the SEP)

And what plattform is the HKP17 based on? Tiger? Anyway, its good to plan ahead for better days

There is a "possibility" that a gunship will be acquired around 2010, even though it is small. It depends a bit on how "Luftburna Bataljonen" develops. Note that its "turned off" right now (nationality 0).

Oh, and its the Mangusta 129 CBT.

I chose between three platforms; Tiger (new and "European"), Roivalk (counter trade for the Gripen deal) and Mangusta A129 CBT (somewhat compatible with the NH.90, they can use the same engines and share some avionics equipment).

I rolled dice (I really did : ) and ended up with the Mangusta CBT, and upgraded it to "2010" standards (new-gen FLIR and so on).

The Archer model really looks as beautiful as in real life.

Yeah, now I just need an icon for it.

Its pretty amazing what you can find in the picture bank in this game, to bad so few update the obat picture references... there's good stuff in there!

And how do the different radars work? Are they some kind of all seeing FO:s?

Yes, essentially the GSR's just get a whopper (50-80 depending on system) of a vision rating. I haven't playtested them enough yet to decide if I want the final version to include this... but at least ARTHUR (on various mounts) needs to be represented IMHO.

Right now I slightly lean towards removing all except ARTHUR (they're more of rear area assets, so...), but then again ArtE would be nice to have available for designed coastal scenarios...

Did you have a problem with the utility vehicles, or what do you currently need help with?

Not at all, I am just tranferring them from older version obat's at the moment, its a work in progress as I said.

I'm up to speed fixing the units per se, and might be done with this inside next week (barring burnout), so what "I need" would mainly be regarding the formations and OOB-hunting.

Of course bughunting and criticism always helps a lot and would be appreciated. I bet I got a couple if "spelling errors" in there... just after sending the obat I noticed that a lot of the MG support units had a ROF of 0...

I really like the red colour they use showing database error now.

It would be nice if we could ferret out an Icon maker btw (122 mineplow, AMOS and engineer CV90, Archer, CB90HS/E, Strb Ny, Arholma MS and so on...).

haven't really gone through this version of icos though, so I might find things in there...

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I know about the SEP, but had totally forgotten that they where looking at a tracked version as well. I have always regarded the SEP as a replacement for Patg203 ("Det stora finska mongot"), that his just as beloved as the MB Sprint .


Didnt you have an icon for the Archer in your OBAT? The SSG120 has already a nice icon in the new version so that work is done.

Anyway, I will try to dig up some OOB:s for different units so we can create formations.