Country Training

[loktarr]

I have just little points to had:
_since 1997, the french army is a professional army,
- the legion is as said by narwan not deployed the same as other units: they cannot (theoricaly) be deployed in France, and they are always deployed where the army could take heavy casualtys, for exemple in Ivory Coast, first where insertid COS commandos, then Legion and after that, the main "peacekeeping"() force composed of RIMa (=Marines)
-what is said about french patriotic sense is a bit caricatural but sadly not so false, I can assume that the army as really a patriotic sense (ouf!) but the population is only patriotic when it goes with his own interress (for t least 56% of them...)
-for more informations about the Legion:
http://www.foreignlegionlife.com/
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Is it true that the German army has conscripts?
It woud be really funny if draftee units have more experience than professional ones...
I understand that it is difficult to change country training but it's not normal that the french experience stays the same before 97 and after 97...

[PlasmaKrab]

Pas de problème Loktarr, moi, j'ai le droit de caricaturer les Français...

The point was that no many people in Europe and no one in France recieve any education in dedicating to their country. Since fresh Legionnaires are foreigners drawing their last card, they have to be grateful and loyal

German army is still drafting AFAIK, and what I meant with that is that the overall exp and morale rating was too high for a drafting army in general. Look at Russia for example. Admittedly Russian army has a disastrous reputation for training and cadre, but that doesn't prevent them from having very serious regular units.
Same way with the Germans: since they don't have many conscripts left (not as many as during the cold war), they surely have some all-professional units with a much better level.

So my point was that we all could go round this problem like we want to by doubling the infantry units, to have both professional "regular elite" and conscription units. So, to take the example of France, if there are both conscripts with 64 exp and professionnals with 75 until 1997, after that date you have only 75er professionals left. Same with anyone.

[kevin]

I remember reading that 2006 will be the last year for conscription in Germany (and Spain fyi)

[loktarr]

The solution given by PlasmaKrab seems to be quite good, really hard to do (doubling all units in all countrys), it's already done for some countrys, US National Guard or USSR Reserve Co (-10/-10) for exemple, and it would be logical do to it for every body.
If conscription will stop 2006 in Germany(75) and Spain(75), it would be good to give them 70 before 2006, and then 75 as it is.
I am doing an array with all SPMBT values for experience and I will compare with reality, I will post it when finished (exel doc) So the mod creators (even if I doubt they want to) could change some funny numbers...
Note: I read that UK RM are only a brigade an are really an elite unit, also named 3rd Commando... (But that's an information given by the french army so I am not sure....) If true it wouldn't be choking that they have commando values

[PlasmaKrab]

And how do you want to compare with reality? Ask soldiers from all over the world if they think they are better than these or these fellow soldiers?

Anyway, sorry to tell you, but I fear you cannot change a country's overall training values over the years. On the other hand, if after that date you don't have conscripts, the overall level of your single squads won't change. Only you will have no more conscript sections to drag the average down.

What I meant was that even in a conscription army you can have both conscript squads, mostly for training duty, and better low-draftee-content squads, which can be seen as nearly professionnal. Once the country dumps conscription altogether, you get rid of the conscript squads and keep only the high-level professionals, keeping in mind that even then you will have green recruits in your ranks.

Oh, BTW, maybe lower the experience rate in the most active armies to acknowledge for the rotation rate of fresh soldiers/ reinforcements?

I hope I have been understandable now

[loktarr]

OK, that's true but it's possible to change country training over the years: it was possible in SP2: for exemple Israeli experience was growing with time...
When I spoke of comparison to reality it was with a "general state" of the country, BTW countrys who are always at war since 1950: Israel, Chechnia ...etc..., countrys with conscripts ad modern training: Germany, Spain, US , country with professional army UK, Switzerland, France, ...etc... and also depending on the army size: for BTW UK's army is small and so can be exeptionnaly well trained...
Naturaly that's hard work and it will stay mistakes but less I think...
So it possibly not so impossible to do.

[narwan]

Hmm. I seem to have missed the french going professional, thanks for the info.
Doesn't that mean that their base experience should (from '97 on) be 75 instead of 70?

[PlasmaKrab]

Hey,if you can really change the overall exp rating over the years , then why bother with having two separate sets of units?
You'll just have to take conscripts into account in these ratings, and raise them sharply at the date the country loses draft.

Still less detailed than my system , though much less work too!