Country Training

kevin · #1 July 13th, 2005, 08:05 AM

I remember reading that 2006 will be the last year for conscription in Germany (and Spain fyi)

loktarr · #2 July 13th, 2005, 09:34 AM

The solution given by PlasmaKrab seems to be quite good, really hard to do (doubling all units in all countrys), it's already done for some countrys, US National Guard or USSR Reserve Co (-10/-10) for exemple, and it would be logical do to it for every body.
If conscription will stop 2006 in Germany(75) and Spain(75), it would be good to give them 70 before 2006, and then 75 as it is.
I am doing an array with all SPMBT values for experience and I will compare with reality, I will post it when finished (exel doc)

So the mod creators (even if I doubt they want to) could change some funny numbers...

Note: I read that UK RM are only a brigade an are really an elite unit, also named 3rd Commando... (But that's an information given by the french army so I am not sure....) If true it wouldn't be choking that they have commando values

PlasmaKrab · #3 July 13th, 2005, 09:43 AM

And how do you want to compare with reality? Ask soldiers from all over the world if they think they are better than these or these fellow soldiers?

Anyway, sorry to tell you, but I fear you cannot change a country's overall training values over the years. On the other hand, if after that date you don't have conscripts, the overall level of your single squads won't change. Only you will have no more conscript sections to drag the average down.

What I meant was that even in a conscription army you can have both conscript squads, mostly for training duty, and better low-draftee-content

squads, which can be seen as nearly professionnal. Once the country dumps conscription altogether, you get rid of the conscript squads and keep only the high-level professionals, keeping in mind that even then you will have green recruits in your ranks.

Oh, BTW, maybe lower the experience rate in the most active armies to acknowledge for the rotation rate of fresh soldiers/ reinforcements?

I hope I have been understandable now

loktarr · #4 July 13th, 2005, 09:56 AM

OK, that's true

but it's possible to change country training over the years: it was possible in SP2

: for exemple Israeli experience was growing with time...
When I spoke of comparison to reality it was with a "general state" of the country, BTW countrys who are always at war since 1950: Israel, Chechnia ...etc..., countrys with conscripts ad modern training: Germany, Spain, US , country with professional army UK, Switzerland, France, ...etc... and also depending on the army size: for BTW UK's army is small and so can be exeptionnaly well trained...
Naturaly that's hard work and it will stay mistakes but less I think...
So it possibly not so impossible to do.

narwan · #5 July 13th, 2005, 09:57 AM

Hmm. I seem to have missed the french going professional, thanks for the info.
Doesn't that mean that their base experience should (from '97 on) be 75 instead of 70?

PlasmaKrab · #6 July 13th, 2005, 10:17 AM

Hey,if you can really change the overall exp rating over the years

, then why bother with having two separate sets of units?
You'll just have to take conscripts into account in these ratings, and raise them sharply at the date the country loses draft.

Still less detailed than my system

, though much less work too!

loktarr · #7 July 13th, 2005, 11:05 AM

Yes, it would be better, there is only a weak point, I believe, it's only possible to modify for each decade... That's not very important, just another approximation...

kevin · #8 July 13th, 2005, 03:31 PM

loktarr you are right about Royal Marines. They are a brigade size (they call themselves a Regiment) force. I am a former US Marine and let me assure you it's hard to admit it, but the RMs are hard-core bad-asses and I never met one that I thought I could take one-on-one.