Best MBT of the world 2005 (According to SPMBT)

[loktarr]

That's perfectly right...

[kevin]

As an American I pledge to make it my solemn duty to disprove this slander that says anything other than the Abrams is the best tank ever created I'm sorry, but as a former US Marine I just cannot believe that it is US Army training that is the difference.



Serriously though, looks like a good test. I have a few Questions.
1. How many times did you run through each "round"?
2. Did you keep track of the number of hits / misses?

[loktarr]

Kevin as a non american I think I can explain this without problems:
Desert Storm 1990: 2900 Abrams, over 3500 allied tanks, 2005 I think US Army + Marines have around 4000 M1 in comparison, Uk army has (if I'm not wrong around 400 Challengers and the for french army with the Leclerc).
everything is clear...
Add to that the US Navy with at least 99,9% carriers of the world (french Navy is the only one to got a nuclear carrier and it has 1 (real carrier I mean not the smalls ones UK has for his ADVs))
Add to that the USAF and I think for each poor MBT of the world there are so many US MBTs and aircrafts that during a war I will disapear witout firing.
And don't forget it's the game...

More seriously:
First "turn" : M1A2 vs Challenger2:
4 rounds, kill report (M1A2/Challenger): (13/4),(13/5),(13/8),(13/8)
My explanation: hull armor of the Chall 2, as for the Merkava
Leclerc vs Leopard2A6-EX:
4 rounds, kill report (Lec/Leo): (11/13),(4/13),(2/13),(4/13)
Quite unpredictable, maybe because of the size of the Leclerc
Merkava vs T-90:
very ennoying, they were unable to kill each other at that range... But I'm sure Merkava would win
Leclerc vs Merkava: only one round, 13/0
Challenger vs Merkava: only one round 13/0

I precise that fight started with a first move from one side which I swaped each time...

[PlasmaKrab]

Now Kevin, you can stay patriotic as much as you want without blindfolding yourself!

The Abrams may be a very, very good tank, it is not perfect forasmuch. Not because it was the only tank from its generation that had the opportunity to make good kills, in very favorable consitions may I say , not for that reason is it the only worthy military material in the world!

Don't start playing lousy American, there can be many lousy Europeans here too and we have no need for this here.

[kevin]

You two don't understand sarcasm and humor very well do you? To all those concerned I was joking.

[PlasmaKrab]

That's forums for you, eh?
Or it is just that I am a bit daft...

I try to avoid sarcasm in the quickly-written form, since it is sometimes hard to recognize (see?). Most people seem impervious to my kind of humor...

That doesn't count as an allowance to start playing lousy American either, Kevin, even for fun, you know how that would turn!

[loktarr]

You two don't understand sarcasm and humor very well do you? To all those concerned I was joking.

It was writen "Serriously though" and I did rewrite exactly the same way:
"More seriously" so I did see it was a joke, but Plasmakrab doesn't

Most people seem impervious to my kind of humor...

And how do you feel with mine, I'm the

lousy European

and

we have no need for this here.

OK, I'll go out...

[JaM]

Those tests only shows bad balance in game OOBs.The whole story is about use of Sabot against front hull armor. Defending tanks have allways advantage, becouse they hit front hull armor more often than attacking tanks hit theirs. In real world M829A3 would have not problem penetrate 900mm armor at 2000m.There arent many tanks in the world that could survive this.In game APFSDS rounds loose their power too fast.Round that is capable penetrate 500mm armor at 0m has in real 2000m penetration around 420-450mm, but in game it will penetrate only 350-380mm(roughly)Max sabot range should be rised up a bit to make more real values

[Starmyth]

Sarcasm and humor in the same post?

[fogel510]

loktarr ...

interesting test. suppose we modify it and test the M1A2 against every other tank (of supposed equal value) in the game.

maybe we should start with Iran and work our way down the list.

just a thought.

fogel510