Best MBT of the world 2005 (According to SPMBT)

[Starmyth]

Sarcasm and humor in the same post?

[fogel510]

loktarr ...

interesting test. suppose we modify it and test the M1A2 against every other tank (of supposed equal value) in the game.

maybe we should start with Iran and work our way down the list.

just a thought.

fogel510

[mrdomenic]

Just a question about the test...did this confirm which is the best tank, or which has the best combination of gun and armor protection? I would think speed (moves per turn) would also be important. I'm still pretty new to this great game, but the ability to maneuver for the best position also seems pretty important. Going just by kills may be only part of the picture - in the old SP2 a Stuart could kill a Tiger...every once in the while!!

[serg3d]

mrdomenic said:
I would think speed (moves per turn) would also be important.

Merkava 4 don't need any stinking maneuvring. Just put it on the top of the hill and kill everething in line of site while enemy shoot their feeble ATGM and sabots in wain.

[pdoktar]

Feeble top-attack javelins, Tow-2Bs, Gills, Bills, Spikes etc.. sit on that hill with whatever on front turret/hull HEAT armor and there is a good chance of being penetrated from the top. At least when thinking campaign games or e-mail opponents you become very aware of these nasty devils after seeing a few burning elite merkava 4s (750-800 points gone to overconfidence ).

Also fo-directed artillery cluster munitions, or a old feeble F-5 with cluster bombs.

Do not sit on hill tops seen and waiting to be killed (unless you have top armor of 70 atleast).

The AI maybe stupid, but it surprises me ever more often.. thanks to the game developers for that!

[JaM]

Maybe not in game, but in reality, Merkava Mk4 has best roof protection against top attack weapons.They even eliminated loaders hatch and commander has something like a elevator to allow him get on the turret top... TOW2B,Gills Spikes etc uses EFP warhead, so that amount of passive armor is able to stop them. By the way, Gill and Spike are Israeli ATGMs...

[pdoktar]

The game doesn´t model top armor or pen figures for such weapons correctly. However in real life aircraft and helicopter-launched atgm / missiles often arch down on targets, not much of a chance for stopping a hellfire hitting the merkavas roof, is there?

As speaking of game terms, I personally don´t like the way reactive armor is modeled in russian MBTs. Advanced ERA very seldom stops kinetic penetrators in the game. And calculating Adv-ERA directly to kinetic armor values isn´t realistic, as the number of era shots, (say 4) is decreased if hit by HEAT weapons. (not maybe kinetic penetrators in real life so much?)

However, when ERA is gone, kinetic protection remains as if it would be passive armor.

Also I figure, that the russian MBTs have double-protection versus HEAT, as seems to me that the HEAT armor figures have been calculated WITH ERA. So the missile first has to defeat ERA and tank front of more than 100 HEAT armor. (Maybe a bit too much).

[Mustang]

Why did you use the T-90 for the Russian test tank? The Chiormy Oriol has better fire control (50) than any other Russian tank (40 at most). You find it under the "Export Tanks" section of the Russian purchase screen.