errors in existing OOB's

JaM · #1 August 2nd, 2005, 07:48 AM

Found something: German M47 has rangefinder 10,US M47 has rangefinder 18 maybe a typo...

PlasmaKrab · #2 August 2nd, 2005, 08:58 AM

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JaM said:
Found something: German M47 has rangefinder 10,US M47 has rangefinder 18 maybe a typo...

A quick search on various sources showed no difference between the US and German versions, the German Pattons being merely the US ones given away when the M-48 came into service.

Basic RF is of the optical coincidence type (stereoscopic, M12). I don't precisely know the RF value range, but 22 is laser RF, so 18 seems quite high.

Listy · #3 August 2nd, 2005, 09:10 AM

14 is Lasser RF, in DosMBT

JaM · #4 August 2nd, 2005, 09:29 AM

M48 were quite accurate, they were able to hit with 50% propability target at 1800-2000m,their rangefinder was good, but slow,max range was 4400m,M1 Abrams has maximum range 4000m...(firecontrol computer is limited to this value) that is why it has such a good value. FC is just 10, this compensate low tech of its FC system (in comparsion with Abrams)I made many tests and played many games against AI with US in 1950-70 era, and i must say that US tanks are modelled quite accurately.Soviet too, the only one thing i would change is that i rised rate of fire (+1 or 2)for all Brittish tanks, beccuse they used different ranging system, they preffered use 3 round system, witch was faster than US system (analog balistic computer and optical rangefinder).This advantage was shown in Indo-Pakistani wars, where Indian Centurions had no problems with Pakistani M47 and M48, as their crews has problems with too advanced FC system of US made tanks.
Rangefinder 14 was Laser RF in older SPMBT v2, when v3 comes out whole FC and RF system was reworked.Now 22 represents Laser Rangefinder.

Backis · #5 August 2nd, 2005, 02:45 PM

Isn't issuing "M29 Inf Cbt Wpn" and "M25 20mm GL" from...

-Obat 12 USA
January 1 2006 (Unit 707 Ranger Squad)
January 1 2006 (Unit 428 Ranger Patrol)
January 1 2007 (Unit 383 Airmobile Squad)

...and especially...

-Obat 13 USMC
1 January 2005 (Unit 748 SEAL Pathfinders)
1 January 2005 (Unit 741 SEAL Team)

..lets say, a bit optimistic considering the status of the project?

The problem is compounded in that the units are ONLY available with M29/M25 after these dates, which atleast for the 1 Jan 2005 date is pure fantasy. SEAL's haven't been running around in Afghanistan and Iraq with any "M29 ICW".

That the Rangers or ANY unit would have gone fully or even partially "M29/M25" by 2006 is extremely doubtful if at all possible.

The XM/M29 OICW is by all extents dead. The KE-unit is now known as the XM/M8, the 20mm CE-unit is cancelled or at least indefinatley suspended from development.

What may become available out of the program is the M8 rifle/carbine/PDW and the 25mm (not 20mm) XM25 grenadier carbine, which has no KE-unit.

Shadowcougar · #6 August 2nd, 2005, 03:26 PM

the XM-8 was fielded to replace the M-16/M-4 family of weapons due to flaws foung during OIF. The M-29 was never to be fielded before FY08. Is there a report out about the M-29?

Backis · #7 August 2nd, 2005, 04:55 PM

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Shadowcougar said:
the XM-8 was fielded to replace the M-16/M-4 family of weapons due to flaws foung during OIF. The M-29 was never to be fielded before FY08. Is there a report out about the M-29?

Was fielded? Must have missed that.

Its not even officially acknowledged it will be fielded yet.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f...925-708424.php

Some more info here, although its on a Blog so I won't vouch for it. Haven't found a better source yet.

http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/002065.html