War.... (Historical: 9/11 discussion thread)

[Baron Munchausen]

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Originally posted by Puke:
well, the UN likes to try, and it looks like NATO is willing to help, but i get your point. i meant to suggenst that one guy is a vigilantie, a group or community used to be called a lynch mob. when they had a sherrif at the head, instead of just a drunk farmer, they got to be called a 'possie.' Maybe they will get to be called a task force or something, when its governments getting together, but i think the concept is basically the same.

again, not that im against it. I think a war on terrorism would be great, as long as it does not go the way of ronnie ray-gun's war on terrorism. i just find the parallel interesting.

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Well, if I can ever punch through the knee-jerk assumptions that any "action" has to be military retribution we might discuss a "New World Order" that really isolates nations that harbor terrorists and shares information in a coordinated way that gets the terrorists caught. I see that some of the Europeans, like Askan and Andre Lescano, understand the real problem with macho revenge actions. Dropping millions of tons of bombs on Afghanistan and other remote havens for terrorists will only kill 5 or 10 percent of the terrorists, but will definitely radicalize a new generation of suicide bombers. What we need is a real international system that can detect the preparations that go into something as large as the WTC attack. Even in the spotty news we're getting now you can see that there was a lot of preparation that would have given warning if someone was paying attention.

[tesco samoa]

Here Here Baron. I agree 100% with you.

Going in to Afghan is a mistake.

Fighting a Static war against Gurellia tatics fails. The Last 300 years have proven this point over and over. The Afghan regulars and illregulars are a well trained and well motivated force. They are experienced and no doubt will remember all the lessions they learned fighting USSR.

I feel invading Afghan is wrong.


They should not be setting up task forces but sending in Special Ops to disrupt the terrorist camps, food supply and other supplies. Keep them on the move constantly. Find a camp and naplalm it so no usable material can be gained from the destroyed camp. And do it over and over.

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[dogscoff]

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we might discuss a "New World Order"
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An intresting lady on UK TV Last night on a news debate programme. SHe said a few things on this subject:

First, "globalisation". (According to her)The only countries really being globalised are the US, Canada, Europe, Australia etc. She reckons that until the process is extended to include other nations (ie truly global) then this kind of terrorism / hatred will continue. I'd like to hear more of her argument before I decide whether I agree on it. Anyone else see her on TV?

She also pointed out that this week a lot of politicians (notably Bush) have been repeatedly using the words "civilised world" in such a way as to imply that Arab countries are *not* civilised - which isn't really the case. They INVENTED civilisation.

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[tesco samoa]

The word civilized is one of the key propoganda words. As is Democracy and Freedom. It gives the World a common ground to rally behind.

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[AJC]

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

--John Lennon

[Andrés]

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First, "globalisation". (According to her)The only countries really being globalised are the US, Canada, Europe, Australia etc.

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I’m from Argentina, I don’t think she included latin america among the few globalized countries she was talking about.
The fact that Baron Munchausen assumed I was european proves it doesn’t matter where I’m from.
Far way from here, our economy depends on (is managed by) the US, we are waiting to see how consequences of this incident will influence will influence international commerce and how that will affect us.

[LazarusLong42]

On 11 September

Cry, O beautiful Nation!
This is your time of strife;
Into the heart of innocence
Was thrust an airborne knife.
The dagger of terror now appears
With blood up to its hilt;
The perches of eagles have hit the ground,
But they will be rebuilt.

Cry, O beautiful Nation!
This is your time of grief;
Friends and neighbors the world 'round
Are watching in disbelief.
Let flow the tears of sorrow
For the missing, for the lost;
But let not fear for tomorrow enter
Your thoughts at any cost.

Cry out, O adamant Nation!
This is your hour of strength;
The women and men who fight for you
Will go to every length.
Your flag still flies above the streets;
Liberty's light shines dear;
And all who believe in truth and right
Will surely persevere.

-- Eric Snyder II