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August 8th, 2005, 03:40 PM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
It may be a bit premature but I think I may have found a bug in the mine clearing routines. The rules for mine clearing as we know it are...
1) Be in adjacent hex
2) Face toward the mine
3) Don't be suppressed
4) Don't fire weapons
5) Don't move around a bunch
The bug that I think I noticed involves saved games. Restarting a saved game (Iwo Jima Part 1 DOS SPWW2) yielded no mine clears until I had moved all units away from and back to mines. I am probably wrong. I'll work on finding out if I am right tonight.
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August 8th, 2005, 06:22 PM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
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scJazz said:
It may be a bit premature but I think I may have found a bug in the mine clearing routines. The rules for mine clearing as we know it are...
1) Be in adjacent hex
2) Face toward the mine
3) Don't be suppressed
4) Don't fire weapons
5) Don't move around a bunch
The bug that I think I noticed involves saved games. Restarting a saved game (Iwo Jima Part 1 DOS SPWW2) yielded no mine clears until I had moved all units away from and back to mines. I am probably wrong. I'll work on finding out if I am right tonight.
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When you run your tests save the turns before AND after if possible and if you can duplicate this in WINSPMBT it would me more helpful than in SPWW2
Don
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August 8th, 2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
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DRG said:
When you run your tests save the turns before AND after if possible and if you can duplicate this in WINSPMBT it would me more helpful than in SPWW2
Don
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Of course I could always run the tests in the Beta version of the WinSPWW2 release. All you have to do is send it to me! 
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August 9th, 2005, 10:49 AM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
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scJazz said:
It may be a bit premature but I think I may have found a bug in the mine clearing routines. The rules for mine clearing as we know it are...
1) Be in adjacent hex
2) Face toward the mine
3) Don't be suppressed
4) Don't fire weapons
5) Don't move around a bunch
The bug that I think I noticed involves saved games. Restarting a saved game (Iwo Jima Part 1 DOS SPWW2) yielded no mine clears until I had moved all units away from and back to mines. I am probably wrong. I'll work on finding out if I am right tonight.
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There DOES seem to be a problem but it's also seems to be a narrow series of events that trigger it. I saw it last night in a test save but Andy says his tests work just fine. It *IS* releated to saving the game though. Just starting it up and playing through won't trigger the problem and neither will starting up a save game then moving the engineers to new hexes to clear mines. If you do they will start clearing again.
We are looking at this now from a number of different angles
Don
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August 9th, 2005, 11:03 AM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
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DRG said:
There DOES seem to be a problem but it's also seems to be a narrow series of events that trigger it. I saw it last night in a test save but Andy says his tests work just fine. It *IS* releated to saving the game though. Just starting it up and playing through won't trigger the problem and neither will starting up a save game then moving the engineers to new hexes to clear mines. If you do they will start clearing again.
We are looking at this now from a number of different angles
Don
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I tested last night as I said I would.
The mine clearing bug occurs if...
The game is opened and a saved game is started where mine clearing units are already in hexes adjacent to the mines.
I'm attaching several saves just because I said I would and you asked but obviously your on top of it.
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August 9th, 2005, 12:19 PM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
What I discovered in my testing today was the engineers would start clearing again after a one turn pause. I did have one test where the engineers just sat their looking at the mines for more than one turns but in that test they were clearing their own mines and that may be a factor to consider.
However, this goes a long way to explain whey there are conflicting reports about the bug. Anyone who sits down and plays a game right through will never see this. Anyone who plays PBEM or only has a short amount to time to play in any given day and makes a lot of saves will see this all the time. Anyone who is somewhere in the middle and may play a number of turns one day then have to save every turn for a couple of days for one reason or the other will see it seemingly inconsistently. Your tying it to the save game was the piece of the puzzle we needed. Thank you for that clue. It helped a lot. This is why we need as much info as possible when we get a bug report.
Don
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August 9th, 2005, 02:19 PM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
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DRG said:
What I discovered in my testing today was the engineers would start clearing again after a one turn pause. I did have one test where the engineers just sat their looking at the mines for more than one turns but in that test they were clearing their own mines and that may be a factor to consider.
However, this goes a long way to explain whey there are conflicting reports about the bug. Anyone who sits down and plays a game right through will never see this. Anyone who plays PBEM or only has a short amount to time to play in any given day and makes a lot of saves will see this all the time. Anyone who is somewhere in the middle and may play a number of turns one day then have to save every turn for a couple of days for one reason or the other will see it seemingly inconsistently. Your tying it to the save game was the piece of the puzzle we needed. Thank you for that clue. It helped a lot. This is why we need as much info as possible when we get a bug report.
Don
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Looks like we found what was wrong in the save game process. (Being able to debug with real breakpoints beats the old DOS print to text file debug method no end !  )
Testing the fix out now.
Andy
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August 9th, 2005, 02:23 PM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
Confirmed fixed
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August 9th, 2005, 03:41 PM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
Yeeeeeehaw! How many thousands of gripe reports did I help kill off? [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif[/img] Happy to help.
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August 10th, 2005, 12:46 AM
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Re: Mine clearing not working in PBEM games:(
Awesome, very quick response and fix. I had been saving before each end turn and usually short sessions. Thanks 
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