Allies, and declarations of war...

[Puke]

indeed Rollo, you are correct, and i meant no offense. you could look at the situation two ways. one being that they attacked without declaring war, and we followed with a declaration of war. two being that we destroyed their industrial capabilities without attacking, and they followed up with an attack. either way, I think that we agree on the point that you just cant tell by simply knowing who declaired war.

but for Taqwus's problem with the AI (i sort of thought we were talking about humans) then i suppose it would help. since one race or the other will have go go anyway, you might just pick the one who is at war with the MOST people, and settle many conflicts with a single blow. as for killing warp points, lost contact does not count for a peacefull victory condition.

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"...the green, sticky spawn of the stars"
(with apologies to H.P.L.)

[Ratso]

""yeah, you could say something absurd like: the US cut off the petrolium supply to Japan, and isolated them from trade with other western nations, forcing their industry into the ground and provoking an attack against our conveniently placed obsoleet ships so that we would have an excuse to go to war.""

Or you could be even more absurd and ignore the fact that Japan had invaded China 10 years earlier and the US (in concert with the League of Nations) took economic measures to restrict Imperial Japan's warfighting capability.

But the point is made that its sometimes difficult to determine which Power may actually be at fault. After all, you could be the victim of a lack of education or outright misinformation.

[capnq]

Part of the problem in SE IV's terms is that there's no real difference between War and No Treaty. You don't have to declare war to attack your enemy; all that a declaration of war does is notify the other empires that you're fighting, via the Treaty Grid.

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Cap'n Q
My first mod! Hypermaze quadrant
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"

[Puke]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ratso:
After all, you could be the victim of a lack of education or outright misinformation.

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hey, i think im being maligned. I never suggested that we unprovokedly interfered with them, nor that we were not wise to force Japan into a war with us. in fact, i destinctly recall praising our prudence in the matter. But if we were being all laize-faire over Europe, i dont know why we got our undies in a bunch over Manchuria.

despite my being slightly disparaged, i think we are all in basic agreement over the topic at hand, though.

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"...the green, sticky spawn of the stars"
(with apologies to H.P.L.)

[Baron Munchausen]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ratso:
""yeah, you could say something absurd like: the US cut off the petrolium supply to Japan, and isolated them from trade with other western nations, forcing their industry into the ground and provoking an attack against our conveniently placed obsoleet ships so that we would have an excuse to go to war.""

Or you could be even more absurd and ignore the fact that Japan had invaded China 10 years earlier and the US (in concert with the League of Nations) took economic measures to restrict Imperial Japan's warfighting capability.

But the point is made that its sometimes difficult to determine which Power may actually be at fault. After all, you could be the victim of a lack of education or outright misinformation.

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There are some who believe this line of thinking might be applicable to current events. Take a look at http://counterpunch.org/flyingbombs.html and see that the conspiracy theories have already begun. The US does have a history of going to war over suspiciously convenient provocations (The loss of the Maine in Havana harbor, for example, giving cause for the Spanish American war) but using civilians for this purpose would require some incredibly cynical operatives in the govt. apparatus. We'll just have to see if the conspiracy theorists can come up with anything like proof.

[mac5732]

I thought I read somewhere or someone posted awhile back, That there is a difference between War and No Treaty. If you declare War on a AI opponnet it then goes to a war footing production system whereas if you fight the AI without declaring war it does not build or produce on a war footing even thought its fighting an undeclared war. If this is true, it gives a huge advantage to a human player as the AI will not adjust without a formal declaration of war. If this is true, then this definitly should be patched that anytime you attack an AI ship, planet, etc, that it automatically goes to formal war footing and production until a treaty is made. anyone any ideas on this

just some ideas mac

[capnq]

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there is a difference between War and No Treaty. If you declare War on a AI opponnet it then goes to a war footing production system whereas if you fight the AI without declaring war it does not build or produce on a war footing even thought its fighting an undeclared war.

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Good point; I hadn't thought of that. It's still only a temporary advantage, though. Every combat with the AI that isn't a stalemate will add to the AI's Anger rating, so if you press your attack long enough, it will eventually declare war on you.

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Cap'n Q
My first mod! Hypermaze quadrant
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"