OT: Enterprise...What did you think?

Dracus · #1 September 29th, 2001, 04:37 PM

Note:
Warp 5 on pre-2287 scale....

Dracus · #2 September 29th, 2001, 04:51 PM

while these might not be totally to spec
here is a web site with some interesting specs http://home.att.net/~enterprise1701d/ste/tech.html

Lerchey · #3 September 29th, 2001, 10:47 PM

I will admit to liking Enterprise. And I'll likely continue to watch it. While most folks have fired off opinions about things that were ... bothersome, like the "shower scene", I had a more general problem. And in fact, it's a problem that EVERY Star Trek series has shared... temporal linear inconsistancy.

The time lines just NEVER work. Phased pistols in use while the original pilot for the 1701 Enterprise crew had lasers (already mentioned); Klingons in the "modern" form (bumpy headed barbarian warriors with strong senses of honor) when in ToS they were... well, clearly different. And if explained as the Klingons being "modified" so that the humans would be more trusting, well... as usual, the Star Trek historians completely forgot about the first Klingons they met. Give me a break.

And despite the fact that the ToS Enterprise was sent out on a 5 year mission to meet new races, that base/trading post they hit had dozens of races that never appear again.

Again, I liked it. And I'll watch it. But as with all Star Trek, you really need to not only suspend disbelief, you often have to add blinders and memory depleters as well.

General John

Suicide Junkie · #4 September 29th, 2001, 11:37 PM

quote:
at warp 1 a ship could travel from the sun to earth in about 8 seconds

I have to correct this one:
Earth is 8 light-MINUTES from the sun, not seconds.
Warp 1 is the speed of light. So the ship would take 8 minutes at warp 1.

8 seconds at warp one would take you only a few earth-moon lengths away.

Baal · #5 September 30th, 2001, 10:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
Baal,

In fact, most of us COULD make a better show -- if we could do it OURSELVES. But a television show is always the product of a committee, and has to be because it's such a huge project. If you have any acquaintance with the folk-wisdom called "Murphy's Law" jokes you know what that does to the quality of the finished product, of course.

Anyway, we have every right to *****-whine-moan about the quality, or lack thereof, in our entertainment. They are trying to sell it to us. Like any other product, we need to consider its merits and deficiences so we can decide if it's worth "buying" with our time, or if we ought to do something else that would be more valuable. Finish our SE IV mods, for example.

And anyway, if you don't like to see whining about a tv show made with so much 'hard work' then you don't have to click on the thread and read it.

DISCLAIMER: This post is directed at one person. It is just an opinion anyway and it�s not as if anyone forced you to read it.

[This message has been edited by Baron Munchausen (edited 28 September 2001).]

**** you Baron. All you people who nit pick a TV show apart are a bunch of whiney *****es. Baron, I look forward to the piece of dog **** that you put together. I doubt you could even get started so maybe you should shut your damned mouth and let the people who do make the shows make the shows.

As was stated earlier. People will watch Star Trek even if you don't like it so maybe you should go find some other show to grind down to nothing. Maybe it's about time you people were content with the fact that someone out there made a new show in the ST universe instead of just *****ing like the Baron here. If I were in charge I would never have made Enterprise. I would have made a new series not attached to the ST universe so you people would have to maybe watch it for its content instead of hunting for technicalities.

Maybe you should take all the energy/effort you use to criticize what you quite obviously can not do yourself and build a 2500 foot tall building or something. In the end the building actually means something.

DISCLAIMER: This post is directed mostly at Baron Whateverhis****ingnameis but also at all you *****ing trekkies who would not know a good TV series if it rammed the Empire State Building up your tight little *******s.

(Note: I did not start by insulting you Baron. You insulted me first.)

Deathstalker · #6 September 30th, 2001, 11:06 PM

Ohhhhhhh!

Simmer down people!! There is no need for profanity...(or personal attacks!)

I personally LOVE the new show, but yes I will pick it apart...Its HUMAN NATURE!!

Go to ANY board and you will fine people talking about what they love....and PICKING IT APART!! They do it about Trek, Buffy, Angel, Comics (see some of the flame wars that go on there, they had to install a damn auto-censor for pete's sake!), SEIV!!!(we do nothing but love and pick apart this game!!)

Look at most world RELIGIONS, they pick each other apart, and not nicely!

I looked forward to the season premiere of the Practice all summer....I liked it mostly, but I did pick it apart at the end...And I'll watch Buffy (yeah I know, don't start!!

) and they will bring her back to life, and I will pick it apart as I believe they should have kept here gone and then bring her back 1/2 way thru the year..(during Feb sweeps probally), but that is just my opinion...

anyway....I know nobody asked me, and I will probally get slammed, but heck it IS human nature to look at something and think they can do better......

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Suicide Junkie · #7 September 30th, 2001, 11:29 PM

We don't need flames on this forum, lets try to keep the tone civil, k?

I would just like to say that the trekkie nitpicking, and "whining" (tone is subjective and hard to put in text form), does not nessesarily imply that the person does not like the show.
ISTM, that the people with the largets collections of picked nits are the most dedicated fans.
Like, geoschmo said: "Those of us that have been fans for years really enjoy this kind of thing. It gives us a sense of being a part of a community."
To be a trekkie, you've gotta know all of the picky details and mistakes, and still love the show.
Most people who do not like a show will stop watching it, and move on, not knowing or caring about all the little details.

We should probably express more appreciation for the hard work going into the show, but customs are hard to change.