Mid Game+ magic.

quantum_mechani · #1 October 1st, 2005, 01:02 AM

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Ironhawk said:
Dunno about the dark vines. They do have tons of HP, but I find that thier size makes them get swamped so fast that it really doesnt matter. I guess if you had a critical mass of vines it might be pretty effective? How many do people use regularly? Dont think I've ever summoned one, myself...

I have used them, they are decent. Like vine ogres except no mr problem, and better stats in general (in particular, four more protection makes a difference). The flip side is they need magic leadership. They are also more expensive, but unlike vine ogres they are not limited in production by your nature gem supply.

archaeolept · #2 October 1st, 2005, 02:31 AM

dark vines are excellent. they have the charming ability to take down SC's if needed, which more than makes up for any flaws.

7 or 8, w/ chaff support, is good. Casting regen or luck as well, is better.

quantum_mechani · #3 October 1st, 2005, 02:45 AM

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archaeolept said:
dark vines are excellent. they have the charming ability to take down SC's if needed, which more than makes up for any flaws.

7 or 8, w/ chaff support, is good. Casting regen or luck as well, is better.

Ah, yes, I forgot their biggest advantage over vine ogres: armour piercing weapons.

spirokeat · #4 October 1st, 2005, 07:58 AM

Ok, so I summoned a Ice Devil finally. Equiped him with wraith blade, bone armour, winged shoes, ring of regen and amulet of luck.

First battle he enters against an army of infantry and a mage. Paralyzed. instantly dies.

MR of 19. Im hoping that it was a big fluke.

shovah · #5 October 1st, 2005, 08:40 AM

some time you should really try atlantis and go for conjuration and just spam abominations and of course you can use lots of sea trolls/krakens for cheap expaners
(construction also if you want to boost your mages to S4 for abomination and if reasearch is on easy you could go for evo to get malestrom)

spirokeat · #6 October 1st, 2005, 09:08 AM

I dont really play to win, so choosing atlantis to follow a particular pattern is not my style.

I play for themes and genre based concepts.

I've just read so much about ice devils, I was kinda suprised he fell over so quickly.

Spiro

Endoperez · #7 October 1st, 2005, 09:17 AM

Atlantis PD becomes quite powerful after you research Alteration 6: every W1 mage can cast Quickness and spam Frozen Heart. Unfortunately, they can't be reruited from every castle as Marignon's F1 Initiates. I recall someone having great success with Initiates on defence, thanks to the Conjuration spell Will'o'wisp.

Ice Devils are powerful, and one of them even starts with a life-draining weapon that protects him from fire. All of them can cast Quickness and BoW, they have good stats and all except one have full slots (or two, as you mighn't be able to change the Hell Blade away from the one who has it, I don't see why you would). They are also available quite early. They were mainly used in Dom:PPP, where every one of them had the same stats, and there were unlimited numbers of them (in fact, there were no uniques at all).

spirokeat · #8 October 1st, 2005, 09:21 AM

Ok, but what constitutes an SC....I see the term chucked about, but it has varying levels.

What are the limits of particular SC's....Bane Lords and Ice devils for example.

Spiro

Alneyan · #9 October 1st, 2005, 09:23 AM

Are you sure that Ice Devil gets Fire Resistance? I know the Virtue does not get the 50% Fire Resistance granted by her Flambeau. You should also be able to remove the Hell Sword from that devil, if it follows the same "rules" as the other armed commanders.

sushiboat · #10 October 1st, 2005, 10:56 AM

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spirokeat said:
Ok, so I summoned a Ice Devil finally. Equiped him with wraith blade, bone armour, winged shoes, ring of regen and amulet of luck.

First battle he enters against an army of infantry and a mage. Paralyzed. instantly dies.

MR of 19. Im hoping that it was a big fluke.

It can happen to any SC, even with the best equipment. You can give it lower risk assignments (e.g., capturing provinces with low PD, having it fight alongside an army), or you can just create more SC's. In my opinion, the SC's mobility is more important than one-man-army heroics.

Did you have him buff with Quickness and Breath of Winter? BoW will help even when the SC is unconscious. Bone Armor is low protection, and the Wraith Sword already gives you life drain. Try something with higher protection, such as Marble Armor. A Starshine Skullcap would be good since you can never have too much MR. With lots of Blood, you could give him a Blood Thorn, which would free up one hand for a shield -- Charcoal Shield is my favorite.