Air Support at Ia Drang

[Listy]

Yup, I posted them in the first thread.

6 ARA, plus a possible extra 1.
4 gunships.

[Pyros]

Were these mentioned in Moore's book?

BTW, since one company has 8 UH-1C [6 with 2.75" rockets and MG, 2 with 40mm GL] then do you think that only 4 is correct?

Also since Aerial Rocket Battalion has 39 helicopters with 2.75" rockets then C bat, 2nd battalion, 20th arty should have 13 UH-1C ARA. What do you think?

[Listy]

From Moore's book.

On Gunships: P68, 2nd paragraph:
"...and Crandalls 4 Gunships guarding our flanks."

On ARA: P122, 1st Paragraph:
".....and with six helicopter's plus the battery comanders we where going through ammo in a hurry."

On other helicopter's: the chinnoks didn't fly into X-ray until after the battle. and the leader of the 229th was, I belive, Major Bruce Crandall.

[Pyros]

I just received a reply from a veteran (Ross) and I also found another source in the Internet:

Source:
Our two door gunners would be stationed on
either side of the hell-hole cover-in the pockets-firing M-60 machine guns attached to pylons. During our first two months, though, the machine guns would simply be
strung from the top of the open doorways on elastic bungee cords. With the crew chief and gunner in the pockets, there was enough room for eight or ten troopers on the cargo deck.

Reply

++1. At the LZ X-ray battle did the UH-1Ds (slick) had any mount weapons (because I ve found a source that tells that they were unarmed*** The new Huey "D" models used by the Snakes did not yet have mounts for the door guns)?

if they didnt have door mounts, they had m-60's on bungie cords, straps or some type of cord.

They had doorgunners with auto weapons.crew cheif used the same.

++2. During the LZ X-ray battle what was the quantity of UH-1B Gunships and UH-1B ARA that helped in close support

question 2 will have to be ans by Crandall http://www.xav8er.com/ , scrandall@attbi.com

he was suppose to lay on the gunships amount, when they made their attack plans.

[Pyros]

(Note: LZ Columbus and LZ Cavalair are the same location)

QUALIFYING UNITS AND SPECIFIC BATTLE LOCATIONS: (Includes)

1-7th Cavalry, LZ X-Ray, 14-16 November.

2-7th Cavalry (-), LZ X-Ray 16-17 November, LZ Albany 17-19 November.

3rd Platoon, C Company, 2-7th Cavalry, LZ X-Ray 15-16 November.

1-5th Cavalry(-), LZ Columbus 18 November (Note: LZ Columbus and LZ Cavalair are the same location)

A Company, 1-5th Cavalry, LZ Columbus 18 Nov, LZ X-Ray 16-17 November, LZ Albany 17-18 November.

B Company, 1-5th Cavalry, LZ Columbus 18 November, LZ Albany 17-18 November.

2-5th Cavalry, LZ X-Ray 15-17 November.

Elements of 1-7th Cavalry, 2-7th Cavalry, 1-5th Cavalry and 2-5th Cavalry, LZ Falcon 14-18 November.

A Company, 1-8th Cavalry, LZ Mary 3-4 November, (1-9th Cavalry ambush).

Elements of A, C, D Companies, Mortar Section and Battalion Command Group of 2-8th Cavalry, vicinity of ZA965055 2-1/2 Km Northwest of LZ Cavalair 4 November.

Elements of 1-9th Cavalry in ambush vicinity LZ Mary, 3-4 November.

Elements of 1-9th Cavalry which supported at LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Mary, LZ Columbus, LZ Falcon or in the 4 November action of 2-8th Cavalry Northwest of LZ Cavalair.

Artillery Forward Observers and Fire Support Coordinators, Army Aviation Pathfinder Teams, Battalion Surgeons, Platoon Aidmen, Litter Bearers, Battalion Aid Station Personnel, Chaplains and Chaplains Assistants who were on the ground during the 14-18 November fighting at LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Columbus, LZ Falcon, the 3-4 November fighting at LZ Mary or in the 4 November action of 2-8th Cav 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Cavalair.

C Battery, 2-17th Field Artillery at LZ Columbus 15-17 November.

A Battery, 2-19th Field Artillery in 2-8th Cavalry action 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Cavalair 4 November.

C Battery, 2-20 Field Artillery in actions at LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany and LZ Columbus 14-18 November.

Elements of A Battery, 2-20 Field Artillery in the 2-8 Cavalry action 2-1/2 km NW of Cavalair 4 November and 1-9 Cavalry ambush at LZ Mary 3-4 November.

A, B and C Batteries and elements of Headquarters Battery, 1-21st Field Artillery at LZ Falcon, LZ Columbus 14-18 November.

3rd Brigade Aviation Section, 228th Assault Support Helicopter Battalion and 229 Assault Helicopter Battalion flight crews who flew support missions into LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Falcon and LZ Columbus 14-18 November.

229th Assault Helicopter Battalion flight crews who flew support missions in the 2-8 Cavalry action 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Cavalair 4 November.

2-8 Cavalry Command Helicopter flight crew and passengers who landed in the battle area of 2-8 Cavalry in the action 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Cavalair 4 November.

MEDEVAC flight crews who evacuated wounded and dead during the actual fighting from LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Columbus, LZ Falcon 14-18 November or LZ Mary 3-4 November or the 2-8 Cavalry action 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Cavalair 4 November.

Elements of 8th Engineer Battalion that supported Infantry, Cavalry or Artillery units at LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Columbus and LZ Falcon 14-18 Nov, or 2-8 Cavalry during the action 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Cavalair 4 November, or 1-9 Cavalry during the ambush vicinity of LZ Mary 3-4 November.

Army Photo and Movie Teams and War Correspondents who were on the ground during the actual fighting at LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Columbus, LZ Falcon 14-18 November, LZ Mary 3-4 November or the 2-8 Cavalry action 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Cavalair 4 November.

Higher Commanders and Staff personnel of the 1st Cavalry Division, 3rd Brigade, Division Artillery, 11th Aviation Group and other higher Headquarters who in the performance of their duties had occasion to be on the ground during the actual fighting at LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Columbus, LZ Falcon 14-18 November or LZ Mary 3-4 November, or the 2-8 Cavalry action 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Cavalair 4 November.

U.S. Air Force A-1E pilots of the 1st and 602nd Air Commando Squadrons who flew close air support missions at LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Mary, LZ Columbus or the 4 November action of 2-8th Cav Northwest of LZ Cavalair.

U.S. Air Force Forward Air Controller Teams who participated in the actions at LZ X-Ray, LZ Albany, LZ Mary, LZ Columbus or the 4 November action of 2-8th Cavalry 2-1/2 km NW of LZ Columbus.

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