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Old October 8th, 2001, 09:16 PM

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Here's my Version of colony ships. Note that I've reduced the engine count to make them very slow like SE III colony ships as well as adding the supply storage. this means they use LESS supply per move, though, and combined with the integral supply capacity they now have very good range. They are blimps, though, and so I added the increased vulnerability. Oh, I've also modded my propulsion system sort of like the "newtonian" system discussed elsewhere, so that each engine produces 6 standard movement. The engines per move on these ships is different from what you'd expect. It would only be '1' and '2' in a standard game.

Name := Colony Ship
Short Name := Colony Ship
Description :=
Code := CY
Bitmap Name := ColonyShip
Vehicle Type := Ship
Tonnage := 400
Cost Minerals := 200
Cost Organics := 0
Cost Radioactives := 0
Engines Per Move := 6
Number of Tech Req := 1
Tech Area Req 1 := Ship Construction
Tech Level Req 1 := 1
Number of Abilities := 2
Ability 1 Type := Supply Storage
Ability 1 Descr := Integral high-capacity fuel tanks extend a colony ship's range (1000 extra supplies).
Ability 1 Val 1 := 1000
Ability 1 Val 2 := 0
Ability 2 Type := Combat To Hit Defense Minus
Ability 2 Descr := Large size and poor maneuverability makes this ship 20% easier to hit in combat.
Ability 2 Val 1 := 20
Ability 2 Val 2 := 0
Requirement Must Have Bridge := True
Requirement Can Have Aux Con := True
Requirement Min Life Support := 1
Requirement Min Crew Quarters := 1
Requirement Uses Engines := True
Requirement Max Engines := 4
Requirement Min Engines := 1
Requirement Pct Fighter Bays := 0
Requirement Pct Colony Mods := 50
Requirement Pct Cargo := 0

Name := Colony Ark
Short Name := Colony Ark
Description :=
Code := CK
Bitmap Name := ColonyShip
Vehicle Type := Ship
Tonnage := 600
Cost Minerals := 300
Cost Organics := 0
Cost Radioactives := 0
Engines Per Move := 12
Number of Tech Req := 1
Tech Area Req 1 := Ship Construction
Tech Level Req 1 := 4
Number of Abilities := 2
Ability 1 Type := Supply Storage
Ability 1 Descr := Integral high-capacity fuel tanks extend a colony ark's range (2000 extra supplies).
Ability 1 Val 1 := 2000
Ability 1 Val 2 := 0
Ability 2 Type := Combat To Hit Defense Minus
Ability 2 Descr := Large size and poor maneuverability makes this ship 40% easier to hit in combat.
Ability 2 Val 1 := 40
Ability 2 Val 2 := 0
Requirement Must Have Bridge := True
Requirement Can Have Aux Con := True
Requirement Min Life Support := 2
Requirement Min Crew Quarters := 2
Requirement Uses Engines := True
Requirement Max Engines := 8
Requirement Min Engines := 2
Requirement Pct Fighter Bays := 0
Requirement Pct Colony Mods := 50
Requirement Pct Cargo := 0
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Old October 8th, 2001, 09:29 PM
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Ok, I see what you've done here. It wouldn't directly translate to the stock game because of the different propulsion system, but adding supply to the ship type is clever. I remember suggesting a while back to add supply storage to the colony component. I heard that some people tried it but then some of the AI's were then putting colony components on attack ships then to get the extra supply. This should avoid that.

How much slower are you making them here? Aren't they having problems with black hole systems? Even with the extra supply, if it takes a year to get across a black hole system, you're going to be in trouble.

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Old October 8th, 2001, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Ok, I see what you've done here. It wouldn't directly translate to the stock game because of the different propulsion system, but adding supply to the ship type is clever. I remember suggesting a while back to add supply storage to the colony component. I heard that some people tried it but then some of the AI's were then putting colony components on attack ships then to get the extra supply. This should avoid that.

How much slower are you making them here? Aren't they having problems with black hole systems? Even with the extra supply, if it takes a year to get across a black hole system, you're going to be in trouble.

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Look at the max engines, 4 and 8. So, speed 4. Just one slower than a transport, like in SE III. That's enough to escape a black hole if you are undamaged. You can work a solar sail into the Colony Ark anyway, and get real performance at the cost of further vulnerability. I've also modded the solar sail to increase 'to hit' probability since it's a big clumsy thing.
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Old October 8th, 2001, 09:49 PM
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map editor, starting positions. only the first one for each empire is used, multiple starting positions are ignored.
This worked the only time I tested it. I made a map with three random start points in each of three systems, and my three starting planets were all in the same system, on the worlds I'd marked as start points.

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Old October 9th, 2001, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
1. Stratigy "Capture Planet" does not work when fully loaded troop transports are present in the fleet.


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I had this problem too

More ones:
- Sometimes the retrofit minister tries to retrofit ships with more of the 50% difference cost. Of course, he can'ts and the warning window appears.

- The remote mining sats does'nt say the amount of resources that are mining. Ships do.
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Old October 9th, 2001, 03:14 AM
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Baron: about the Colony ships, some examples of AI's that have better designes, but still use the standard tech, are the Vikings, Orks, Aquilaeian, Klingon, etc.
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Followup to what capnq said about the map editor: I can sorta confirm. I set 8 different starting positions for 8 races, give each race 3 planets, and the computer will give them those planets close to the marker. (could be in 1, 2 or even 3 systems). Attempts to lock the position of all 3 planets by giving each race 3 starting position markers (in the same system or in 2 systems next to each other) will fail.
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