Tactics.

Mobhack · #1 December 14th, 2005, 11:02 PM

That page was useful enough that I have copied the message into a new "sticky" thread.

(I already had a few of these from the original DOD (FAS?) site, but the global security one is much easier to get at, and you can read online, instead off having to download 8Mb chunks of PDF files!

Cheers
Andy

JJAVN · #2 December 15th, 2005, 12:51 AM

Unfortunately FAS if old and out of date.
Russian equipment has actually FAR surpassed US equipment in technical quality...

Mobhack · #3 December 15th, 2005, 01:46 AM

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JJAVN said:
Russian equipment has actually FAR surpassed US equipment in technical quality...

Hmm - now that's entirely new concept to me!!.

What particular hard data are you using to base this opinion on?. I'd be really interested in the facts and figures, and perhaps some sort of supporting argument.

Cheers
Andy

Nox · #4 December 15th, 2005, 10:04 AM

I dont know if JJAVN is refering to it, but the Russian OOB seems quite outated at least when it comes to infantry AT weapons. For example the RPG-26 and RPG-29 are missing and RPG-18 & RPG-22 are also missing from the inf AT secs. Also theres the case of RPG-16. This weapon was actualy developped in 1970 and it was the paratrooper version of the RPG-7. However ingame it is depicted as a replacement for the RPG-7 and whit availability of 2000 onwards? I dont think the Russian army is using many RPG-7's anymore they have all been replaced by RPG 18, 22, 26 and 29's. Shouldn't the Russian OOB have all the RPG models and ATGM's after all they were made in Russia?

Dedas · #5 December 15th, 2005, 03:18 PM

Yes, this certainly seems to be the case. It would be nice if you could add a few missing Russian RPG's and ATGM's in the next patch so to preserve realism.

Of course I'm not surprised when I play this game and find that the American and western OOB's are more detailed and updated than other nations. It's all very natural as this game is somewhat an American product and not (for example) a Russian one. However, to achieve the ultimate goal of the game - which to my understanding is to simulate the reality of modern tactical combat around the globe as closely as possible - you have to look outside your backyard. A lot.

nosrac · #6 December 15th, 2005, 03:28 PM

Of course I'm not surprised when I play this game and find that the American and western OOB's are more detailed and updated than other nations. It's all very natural as this game is somewhat an American product and not (for example) a Russian one. However, to achieve the ultimate goal of the game - which to my understanding is to simulate the reality of modern tactical combat around the globe as closely as possible - you have to look outside your backyard. A lot.

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Marek_Tucan · #7 December 19th, 2005, 06:47 AM

I think the SPMBT are quite balanced and detailed. I can remember back then the original SP2 with WarPac countries armed like "worse Russia", for example T-62's and BTR-70's in Czechoslovakian and Polish OOB etc...

But now I'm more or less satisfied. That doesn't prevent me from making my mods using mobhack, though;o)

RecruitMonty · #8 December 18th, 2005, 10:27 AM

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JJAVN said:
"Russian equipment has actually FAR surpassed US equipment in technical quality..."

Hah! I would like some evidence to support that too.

Mustang · #9 January 17th, 2006, 09:12 PM

ATGMs are worthless if you know what you're doing. Usually, the enemy will have too many dug-in MGs for you to try a pure infantry assault, but mortars are good here. ATGMs, once they've been fired, are easy to spot, and it a turn or two you'll have a batallion of artillery supressing them to hell. If you can't do that, any kind of MG or rifle fire will do just fine, and if there's no other choice just put up smoke (few ATGM carriers have thermal).

As for my tactics, it depends on the battle. In an infantry engagement, I use a lot of MGs and snipers except in close terrain or on the defense. I also buy tons of mortars and use LOTS of smoke. Mortars are excellent because they're so cheap and almost as good for supression as field artillery. Even if you don't have any enemy infantry to shoot at, they're great for a quick smoke barrage. Smoking off part of the enemy force will allow you to engage the rest piecemeal.

But I agree with Kesh's idea of staying on the defensive in meeting engagments. Ideally, you should be able to rush for the center objectives and secure them, but if you can't, just dig in and launch a few pinprick attacks every once and a while to build up your score to compensate for the fact that you don't control the center objectives. If the enemy digs in too, your only choices are to attack or retreat, though.

Pepper · #10 January 17th, 2006, 09:40 PM

I am also not surprised when American OOBs seem more detailed, but I don't assume thats because this is an American game (in fact, I don't think MobHack or DRG are American, are they?), but rather because of American openness and the availability of detailed information on their weapons systems. Most other countries simply don't have such detailed information available.