Discussion on 4X games.

Dragonlord · #1 October 16th, 2001, 04:34 AM

Uhm, there's more to 4X games than just space-based ones...
The best strategy game ever made, for me, is still Civilization II. And in a few weeks, after 5 years of waiting, Civ III is coming out ! I can't wait...all we had is Civ clones and ripoffs in the mean time (Call to Power, etc).

From the real-time 4x games I'd say I enjoyed Age of Empires the most....looking forward to Empire Earth !

tesco samoa · #2 October 16th, 2001, 04:35 AM

Would battles of desteny make it any where on this list?

All time fav. 4x games

Stars, MOO, MOO2, SEIV, SEIII, Overlord, Lord of the Relms, MULE, Star Control (2).

There was another game I used to play. Cannot remember what it was called. Came out in 96. You basicaly designed your ships and sent them out on patrols etc... You could really control them. Very detailed. Mostly space combat. I will have to look in the old game boxes for the name. I have tech tree infront of me but it has no name on it.. ( remeber when games came with tech charts... what I would give to see game shiped with the manuals like from the aces series or early janes games.)

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Puke · #3 October 16th, 2001, 07:09 AM

i have said it before, i will say it again:

Imperialism I and II, by FrogCity and SSI. Games for the Thinking man. empire building and warfare, with unheard of things like solid (bordering upon god-like) diplomacy and economic modles. sharp AI (SSI meets a 4x game, you know the AI has to be good) both strategically and diplomatically. it knows all the tricks and you cant get away with dicking it about like the unfortuneate AI in space empires (and civ, and alpha centauri..)

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chewy027 · #4 October 16th, 2001, 03:06 PM

well if we're going down that path what about Europa Universalis. That is another great game and the sequal is coming out soon to. Should be even better now. Diplomacy is awesome i especially like the way alliances are done. I think thats the way se5 should go it would make it so much more realistic and make treaties so much more important.

Pustov 2 · #5 October 16th, 2001, 03:51 PM

Reach for the stars. (by ssi) Did not reach to far. And I have to say that the AI in space Empire IV is one of the best I'v ever seen. The best is moo. moo2 is alright but I think SEIV is better

Pustov 2 · #6 October 16th, 2001, 03:56 PM

And by the way Pustov and Pustov 2 are the same I just got stuck in some kind of profile thing whith a change off aderess and passworld so I got a new one

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Master Belisarius · #7 October 16th, 2001, 04:12 PM

"And I have to say that the AI in space Empire IV is one of the best I'v ever seen. "

Are you the Aaron's brother?

Although I admit that:
1) The SEIV AI was really improved from the original release.
2) Modding the AI scripts you can improve a lot their behavior.
3) The SEIV AI doesn't cheat.

Honestly, Pustov, I'm far to believe that the SEIV AI is one of the best... After hours and hours and hours testings SEIV AIs scripts, I still can feel the frustration, looking how dumb the SEIV AI can be.