SEIV via Steam

[boran_blok]

I think that valve wont be going broke anytime soon. and that if they ever go bankrupt they will release a steam-release patch or somesuch. and if valve doesnt do it it'll get done anyways. steam is being bypassed already today by many illegal copies of HL2 so I dont think it'll be impossible for other games. and yes the legalities might matter. but when valve is bankrupt it's equal to abandonware imho. (which is technically illegal but imho morally legal)

[Ragnarok-X]

Its quite funny. The only reason people can tell is "i want it now" and "i save space". Imho, those are merely excuses, or non-existing arguments. I someone would say that to me in reallife, i would begin to laugh, basicly because its stupid.


I tell you what, the true reason imho is that ppl are getting fking lazy, on a large scale. They just want to sit on their chair, click, download stuff and enjoy it, without thinking about what they actually did and how stupid it actually is, compared to doing it the "old way".

I have to admit though, this is not only the case with downloading/buying, i can basicly convert my example to literally every part of todays life.

Ok, i see this is a rather extreme statement, but im rather sure this is about 100% right. Things need to change, on a large scale as well.

[Fyron]

So are you/we stupid and lazy for downloading SEIV patches instead of getting them sent on disk via the mail or just not getting them in the first place, as it was done in the old way?

[Suicide Junkie]

Just because patience is a virtue dosen't mean impatience is bad.

Impatient people get things done, at least the non-lazy subset of them. The impatient lazy people get others to do it.

[boran_blok]

no, the argument is: games such as darwinia and SEIV and probably SEV just dont end up on shelves here. so buying it online is the only way to go. and imho steam facilitates that and in the mean time prevents piracy. also I tought the markups in steam where higher and thus would result either in more profits or lower prices. seing that darwinia is cheaper on steam i'd guess the latter. I'm not saying steam is good for big games such as TES Oblivion (just giving an example I'll definetly buy in a box) simply because you can have that in a box with fancy manual and such.

imho steam gives these special games an easy distribution platform. ppls go like. ah it's just $20 we can try it. and then you're wonderfully surprised (as in the case of darwinia) or somewhat dissapointed (as in the case of ragdoll kung fu)

if both games were boxed I would have bought neither because all boxed games here are 40 to 50 € (compare that to 12 or 15 € which Ragdoll Kung fu and darwinia cost me).

[Fyron]

Steam does not actually prevent any piracy, however. It stops totally casual piracy of just giving a copy to a friend, but there are cracks for pretty much every piece of software out there...

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Can't stop piracy except for total tyranny.

[Ragnarok-X]

Imperator Fyron said:
So are you/we stupid and lazy for downloading SEIV patches instead of getting them sent on disk via the mail or just not getting them in the first place, as it was done in the old way?

Eh, Fyron, this was actually one of the worst posts i have seen from you since my reg. Comparing patches to a game is just crap, especially considering there is usually only one way to get a patch: Downloading it in the first place. Secondly, a patch is meant to fix or enhance something, its not a product on its own.

no offense btw.

[Fyron]

It was an entirely legitimate post... In the old days before Internet, patches generally had to be shipped in the mail or hand delivered. Or even worse, you might have to wait for the next version of the software to be sold! It is only the modern era that has patches available for download. I see little difference here. It is still part of the software model. If you are going to call people stupid and lazy for downloading purchased games, you have to call them stupid and lazy for the patches too.