SEIV via Steam - Page 4

Renegade 13 · #31 January 15th, 2006, 05:22 PM

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geoschmo said:
You'd think it would be. But you were asking what's the advantage to the consumer. Now you are telling the consumer what to think. That's a whole nuther argument.

Actually, that was Ragnarok-X who asked what the advantage was to the consumer

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What if the store is out? Or what if you live somewhere that doesn't have a lot of stores? What if you just hate leaving the house?

Nobody ever got rich telling the customer to wait.

I live in a place where he nearest store is an hour and a half away

I can wait. I guess I just figured other people would as well

But I do see what you're saying. It's simply good economics to have a variety of options, for those who don't want to wait and are willing to go the downloadable route and for those who want the CD/DVD, something physical.

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Renegade 13 said:I don't need a CD in the drive to play SEIV either. Granted, many games you do, but why is this a big deal? Sure it's a bit of a pain switching CD's/DVD's out and in all the time, but enough to make someone willing to go with a method that leaves you with no physical backup or protection for the day the game is no longer supported?

Most games don't have the long term replay value where this is even a concern. If you aren't going to want to play the game in six months, why do you care if the online support will quit working in twelve?

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Good point. But I still think the option should be there, just in case you DO want to play it again in a couple years

boran_blok · #32 January 16th, 2006, 05:34 AM

I think that valve wont be going broke anytime soon. and that if they ever go bankrupt they will release a steam-release patch or somesuch. and if valve doesnt do it it'll get done anyways. steam is being bypassed already today by many illegal copies of HL2 so I dont think it'll be impossible for other games. and yes the legalities might matter. but when valve is bankrupt it's equal to abandonware imho. (which is technically illegal but imho morally legal)

Ragnarok-X · #33 January 16th, 2006, 03:16 PM

Its quite funny. The only reason people can tell is "i want it now" and "i save space". Imho, those are merely excuses, or non-existing arguments. I someone would say that to me in reallife, i would begin to laugh, basicly because its stupid.

I tell you what, the true reason imho is that ppl are getting fking lazy, on a large scale. They just want to sit on their chair, click, download stuff and enjoy it, without thinking about what they actually did and how stupid it actually is, compared to doing it the "old way".

I have to admit though, this is not only the case with downloading/buying, i can basicly convert my example to literally every part of todays life.

Ok, i see this is a rather extreme statement, but im rather sure this is about 100% right. Things need to change, on a large scale as well.

Fyron · #34 January 16th, 2006, 05:08 PM

So are you/we stupid and lazy for downloading SEIV patches instead of getting them sent on disk via the mail or just not getting them in the first place, as it was done in the old way?

Suicide Junkie · #35 January 16th, 2006, 05:35 PM

Just because patience is a virtue dosen't mean impatience is bad.

Impatient people get things done, at least the non-lazy subset of them. The impatient lazy people get others to do it.

boran_blok · #36 January 16th, 2006, 06:43 PM

no, the argument is: games such as darwinia and SEIV and probably SEV just dont end up on shelves here. so buying it online is the only way to go. and imho steam facilitates that and in the mean time prevents piracy. also I tought the markups in steam where higher and thus would result either in more profits or lower prices. seing that darwinia is cheaper on steam i'd guess the latter. I'm not saying steam is good for big games such as TES Oblivion (just giving an example I'll definetly buy in a box) simply because you can have that in a box with fancy manual and such.

imho steam gives these special games an easy distribution platform. ppls go like. ah it's just $20 we can try it. and then you're wonderfully surprised (as in the case of darwinia) or somewhat dissapointed (as in the case of ragdoll kung fu)

if both games were boxed I would have bought neither because all boxed games here are 40 to 50 € (compare that to 12 or 15 € which Ragdoll Kung fu and darwinia cost me).

Fyron · #37 January 16th, 2006, 07:12 PM

Steam does not actually prevent any piracy, however. It stops totally casual piracy of just giving a copy to a friend, but there are cracks for pretty much every piece of software out there...

narf poit chez BOOM · #38 January 17th, 2006, 12:50 AM

Can't stop piracy except for total tyranny.

Suicide Junkie · #39 January 17th, 2006, 01:04 AM

Besides, the FSM will ensure there is always at least one pirate on the planet.

Ragnarok-X · #40 January 19th, 2006, 01:28 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:
So are you/we stupid and lazy for downloading SEIV patches instead of getting them sent on disk via the mail or just not getting them in the first place, as it was done in the old way?

Eh, Fyron, this was actually one of the worst posts i have seen from you since my reg. Comparing patches to a game is just crap, especially considering there is usually only one way to get a patch: Downloading it in the first place. Secondly, a patch is meant to fix or enhance something, its not a product on its own.

no offense btw.