Feeling a bit ... so so / All of my thoughts

[Edi]

Thanks for the praise.

The big one is, all things considered, somewhat too big. The smaller one has some rather big design issues in some regions, and both of them need some toning down for some of the province guardians (the Earthmother in the Moonshaes is especially nasty).

I've been working on a new version with only 281 provinces (it really will not go any smaller without losing the thematic feel and even then I had to cut a couple of places I wanted to keep but could afford to remove), which should be more workable. When it's ready, that is, but I won't be making it public immediately. This one also won't feature all nations. Mictlan has been cut, and so will Ermor, in all probability. It just doesn't fit too well on the map.

The problem with different versions for different eras isn't in the picture file, it'll be fixing the map files to reflect each era, which is more work than appears at first glance. And I need a working Unit DB and Site DB to really make it good.

I've still got a dream of getting to do a full Toril (Faerun & Kara-Tur) map someday, but that's another story...

Edi

[Boron]

Edi said:
Thanks for the praise.

The big one is, all things considered, somewhat too big. The smaller one has some rather big design issues in some regions, and both of them need some toning down for some of the province guardians (the Earthmother in the Moonshaes is especially nasty).

It was only too big for Dom 2 because of the low unit limit and the scouting bug.
But remember Illwinter said the maximum number of provinces for Dom3 will be 1500 .
So this means that the unit limit is hopefully not an issue anymore neither .
So you could also make a 500 province Faerun map for Dom3 imho .
Iirc there are 20 Nations for Dom3, so 500:20 would be 25 provinces for each nation, exactly right for an epic MP game .

Already looking forward to your Dom3 Faerun Maps

[Gandalf Parker]

And you know that I will be making those 1500 province maps available. (not real pretty, but available). My old classifications were...

TINY less than 5 each, or less than 85 total provinces. Best done as 45 land and 8 water.

SMALL 5 each, or 85 total provinces. Best done as 75 land and 10 water.

MEDIUM 10 each, or 170 total provinces. Best done as 150 land and 20 water.

LARGE 15 each, or 255 total provinces. Best done as 225 land and 30 water.

HUGE 20 each, or 340 total provinces. Best done as 300 land and 40 water.

EPIC 25 or more each, maybe to the maximum 500 total provinces. Something like 450 land and 50 water.


CHAOS a run of completely randomized maps which might provide something interesting by accident.

I guess I will have to add one for Xtreme.
And new groupings to include the Dom3 map generator if it will work for it.
Hmmmm with added nations I will have to redo the others abit also in order to match the "xx each player for xxx total provinces".

[Daynarr]

Boron said:

It was only too big for Dom 2 because of the low unit limit and the scouting bug.
But remember Illwinter said the maximum number of provinces for Dom3 will be 1500 .
So this means that the unit limit is hopefully not an issue anymore neither .
So you could also make a 500 province Faerun map for Dom3 imho .
Iirc there are 20 Nations for Dom3, so 500:20 would be 25 provinces for each nation, exactly right for an epic MP game .

Already looking forward to your Dom3 Faerun Maps

I 100% agree. If the province limit is 1500 (ouch, thats extreme allright) then unit limit most definitely shouldn't be a problem anymore. Heck on 1500 province map you would reach limit just by placing indies on the map.

I think currently Large Faerun map will fall somewhere in the middle sized maps once Dom 3 is out.

Come to think of it, 1500 provinces is a dream come true for Gandalf who's notorious in his liking of HUGE maps.
I bet he will find a way to play with ALL nations on it too.

[NTJedi]

I'm also very fond of HUGE maps... in fact many gamers enjoy the HUGE maps. I recall Gandalf reporting the highest downloads from his site were for the largest maps.

I'm wondering what's new in the editor too.

[Gandalf Parker]

Daynarr said:
Come to think of it, 1500 provinces is a dream come true for Gandalf who's notorious in his liking of HUGE maps.
I bet he will find a way to play with ALL nations on it too.

heehee. Its like a giant cake. I will HAVE to make one, even if it turns out to be something I wouldnt want to do often.

1500 provinces? I wonder if the max map size is expanded also. Well even at 2000x2000 that might be playable if its not too cluttered. I think I can get DomMap to generate one that big just to see how playable it looks.

ALL of the nations? Do we know what that is yet? We know that they added a water nation (Oceania). Ive heard 20 kicked around. And each one has 3 eras? If they can all play at once that would be 60 nations? That would be.. umm...
echo "1500/60" | bc
25 provinces each. About right for a good game. Even if you cant play 60 humans maybe you could do the standard signup of the 20 nations and add the other 2 eras in as AI's.
MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
Im ready. Lets go.

[Oversway]

That brings up a good question. Will you be able to play nations from different eras against each other? I don't see why not, but...?

[Boron]

Oversway said:

That brings up a good question. Will you be able to play nations from different eras against each other? I don't see why not, but...?

Yeah if it is not enabled currently please enable it as a feature for Dom3 .
Or rather to repeat myself again: Do not hardcode the nation limit at all. There will soon surely be some great nation mods, so it would be cool if there are 40 new nation mods if we could then play with 100 nations. 1500:100 is still 15 provinces per player .
Hey, if every nation could be used unlimited often we could even play a 1500 province game with 1500 players/ais.
That would be a cool weird game .

I really see no reason why a game like 20 Ctis vs. 20 Pythium players e.g. would not be cool sometimes too .

[Daynarr]

Carefull, you are starting to sound like Gandalf.