Anti SC spells

Turin · #1 March 30th, 2006, 03:53 PM

But it has the downside that it will be cast only once or twice in a battle because of high path requirements. Much better are the spammable instakills with an mr check and lower path requirements. Nature has stream of life, which works very well, especially since you need n3 anyway for relief spamming.

quantum_mechani · #2 March 30th, 2006, 04:09 PM

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Turin said:
But it has the downside that it will be cast only once or twice in a battle because of high path requirements. Much better are the spammable instakills with an mr check and lower path requirements. Nature has stream of life, which works very well, especially since you need n3 anyway for relief spamming.

Eagle eyes + sleep can also work, and is very easy low research level.

Endoperez · #3 March 30th, 2006, 04:18 PM

NTJedi's Ethereal crossbow made me think of Astral Weapon, and if it can be used on magical bows. Good precision, from Eye of Aiming, Aim or Eagle Eyes, and S1 for casting Astral Weapon. There aren't any magical bows with huge damage, though.

Vision's Foe isn't bad, neither is Black Bow of Botulf.

WraithLord · #4 March 30th, 2006, 07:03 PM

These are all great ideas! Thanks guys!

Ethereal xbow I'm already familiar with and I know it works well.
Astral weapons on magical bow also seems worth trying.
I am giving much hope into the eagle eyes+sleep combo, would it be effective vs. undead SCs as well?

quantum_mechani · #5 March 31st, 2006, 03:26 AM

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I am giving much hope into the eagle eyes+sleep combo, would it be effective vs. undead SCs as well?

Should work as well as vs. anything else.

Oversway · #6 March 30th, 2006, 07:06 PM

nature also has charm

shatter is good earth spell against golems

does polymorph count for nature? I've never seen it used, much less against scs.

Edi · #7 March 31st, 2006, 02:45 AM

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nature also has charm

Indeed. And it can really ruin your day. I remember when I played a co-op game with Kaljamaha on the Small Faerun map with him as Vanheim, he summoned both earth kings, Father Illearth and a lot of other stuff and built at least half of the good artifacts. Sent both earth kings, equipped with all the goodies, against Earthmother in Gwynneth. With the result that his screen of chaff killed the wolves, didn't put a dent in the seasonal spirits and about that time the battle ended. Next report out of Gwynneth: "The army consists mainly of <list seasonal spirits>. It is commanded by Earthmother the Great Mother who radiates power. A huge King of the Mountains was also seen towering over the army."

Kaljamaha obviously wasn't pleased...

Edi

Saber Cherry · #8 March 31st, 2006, 03:27 AM

Gifts from Heaven is the best anti-SC spell, if you have a caster with high precision. But that's for SCs. Thugs can be taken out with militia and a Totem Shield, if there aren't very many of them. Blind is nice too, once you get it, and Drain Life is also very effective when in range. Sometimes I send a thug to the Arena, and when I lose to a mage, it's usually from Drain Life.

With regards to sleep, I don't recommend it because it has an MR save. I didn't think it worked on undead, but even if it does, undead thugs have high MR.

quantum_mechani · #9 March 31st, 2006, 04:30 AM

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Gifts from Heaven is the best anti-SC spell, if you have a caster with high precision. But that's for SCs. Thugs can be taken out with militia and a Totem Shield, if there aren't very many of them. Blind is nice too, once you get it, and Drain Life is also very effective when in range. Sometimes I send a thug to the Arena, and when I lose to a mage, it's usually from Drain Life.

With regards to sleep, I don't recommend it because it has an MR save. I didn't think it worked on undead, but even if it does, undead thugs have high MR.

Spells like gifts from heaven and drain life are certainly preferable if you have access to them. But when you are behind in research or constrained by your magic paths, sleep + eagle eyes can become a very attractive (or even only) option.

shovah · #10 March 30th, 2006, 07:11 PM

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Endoperez said:
NTJedi's Ethereal crossbow made me think of Astral Weapon, and if it can be used on magical bows. Good precision, from Eye of Aiming, Aim or Eagle Eyes, and S1 for casting Astral Weapon. There aren't any magical bows with huge damage, though.

Vision's Foe isn't bad, neither is Black Bow of Botulf.

astral weapon+eagle eyes+bow of war if possible

that could be fun