Damage to tank fire control systems

[Mustang]

Mobhack or DRG, do you have anything to say?

[MarkSheppard]

Actually, a better solution would be to reduce it to about 4-5 for 40-50 tanks; and to 0-1 for 4-5 tanks. WWII tanks didn't IIRC have backup sights.

[Mobhack]

Mustang said:
Mobhack or DRG, do you have anything to say?

Nothing to say, because this has already been covered before.

Why add screeds of micro-detailed damage code, for some pseudo-realism that would have no practical efect on the game itself?.

It is the sort of LOD you would perhaps want on a tactical level game such as the "Close Combat" series, where you have 3-4 tanks and 30-40 men modelled as individuals.

It is irrelevant at the company/batallion scale of WinSPMBT, which basically uses the US Army criteria of Kill, firepower kill, and mobility kill.

Cheers
Andy

[DRG]

.......or we could simply add code that puts 99 surpression on the tank when it finds itself with damaged RF and FC and it immediately heads for it's map edge and retires from the battle becasue that's what would happen during a real battle when a tank crew finds it cannot see or properly fire it's main armament. Removing the main gun to represent the fire control systems knocked out is a perfectly acceptable way of representing these event at this scale of combat.

Don

[Mustang]

Well, the main armament knockout rate should be increased, because I know that in WWII, for example, artillery HE would often knock out tank FC systems. This is really an important part of a battle, even at batallion level, and it isn't represented enough. But you're right about just disabling the main gun, even if the modern tanks would realistically have a backup FC system.

And I don't see how it's micro-detailed. Creating a 10% chance that a tank's FC rating will be halved when its hit would take up maybe a few lines of code. But I'm not complaining, increasing the main armament disable rate be good enough also.

[Basileus]

Hi. Not to get into when the tank slides off a narrow raised road surface and spikes their main gun in the dirt, effectively killing said tank...or the poorly maintained recoil mechanism failing, resulting in a wrecked turret upon firing the first round (yes these things do happen)...

While the Army's criteria of kills may satisfy their requirements, realism suffers in that partial kills like suspension hits that degrade performance or the above mentioned FC/RF damage are either glossed over or become outright kills. Another feature (perhaps mercifully) not represented includes overrunning infantry with tracked vehicles. The designers had to draw a line on how much realism to add before it either impacted game play or overburdened the code. I feel they've done a good job at it.

Basileus