OT: Gas Prices

[PvK]

Ya, or an asteroid strike. So, you're saying, we may as well cause cataclysms ourselves?

Y'know, that SUV blocking my view would have flown off the bridge if the driver had a natural stroke or heart attack, so I may as well have shoved them off the bridge. Falling to its death was a natural process which I just helped along, and I profitted from it, so it's all good, right?

PvK

[Renegade 13]

PvK said:
Ya, or an asteroid strike. So, you're saying, we may as well cause cataclysms ourselves?

Y'know, that SUV blocking my view would have flown off the bridge if the driver had a natural stroke or heart attack, so I may as well have shoved them off the bridge. Falling to its death was a natural process which I just helped along, and I profitted from it, so it's all good, right?

PvK

Nope. I think we should do what we can to keep emissions low, within reason.

However, it won't take much for nature to undo anything mankind tries to do (as has been shown multiple times in the past). If something like Krakatoa erupts again...well that'd put a chunk of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, many of them worse than just CO2 (water vapor for one is worse than CO2 if I recall correctly, methane as well for retaining heat).

Comparing an erupting volcano to pushing a person of a bridge...well that's just ludicrous.

[ToddT]

In regurds to gas/oil prices, you guys are leaving out the speculators and hedges funds, that have a intrest in driving up prices for their own needs.

gloabal warming, volcues do spew a lot of gases,b ut the also seend large quanties of ash into the upper atmaosphere causeing temps to actually drop. Mt pinatoba (sp) causes a slight drop for around a year.
that also applie to all exaust emissions, they contain particulate matter that has the same effect. so both the burining of oil has been sending both componets into the atmosphere. one tends to cause heating the other cooling.
funny thing particulate emmissions from us and europe are dropping, but are rising in china and india. cleaning up the the particulate emmisions are easy, the co2...........

[Atrocities]

People in the US started buying those huge SUV's because gas was affordable and the big SUV's were something that the Jones had so they had to have em.

I hate huge cars, SUV's, and most huge trucks. I don't see a purpose to them if your not using them to hull things and or huge amounts of people.

Now Gas prices have spiked and the poor are being priced right off the road. There are calls by some to raise the gas tax in order to "punish" SUV drivers. To me that is just utterly [censored] silly. The only ones who would be hurt by a $3.00 gas tax would be people like me who can barely aford the current price of gas. Hell I am about $0.50 per gallon away from being permentaly forced off the road. And I am not alone.

Higher gas prices serve only to make the roads less congested for the rich, the very people who can aford higher prices and taxes. The people who buy and drive those huge mother [censored] SUV's in the first place.

Ya, lets punish them by raising the price of gas to the point where only they can aford to drive. Ya, what a real incentive for them to stop driving those gas guzzling SUV's, price the poor and lower income right off the road and presto... no more congestion. Ya, bang on idea there guys.

Less drives, as we all know the ratio, 80% of Americans are at the poverty level or within a pay check of it, so by raising the gas prices to $4.00 and higher per gallon, most of us will be priced right off the road. Less drivers means less congestion. Not nessassarly less polution mind you, as those who can aford to buy those huge SUV's, will still be out their driving them, but with far less traffic.

But hey, this is progress in a free market so who am I to *****.

[Atrocities]

Brazil had the right idea back in the 80's. Now they are about a year away from telling OPEC and the Oil companies to piss off. If they can make sugar based fuel work with flex fuel cars, then why in the hell can't we?

[Suicide Junkie]

Wouldn't it be nice to have prices much higher, but have your first X liters subsidized and cheap?

You should add something like this to your plan in the ruler of the world thread.

[Dragonswrd]

We don't have anything here like "flex fuel cars" because the car manufacturers won't bring them here. There is no market for them. People here like to drive their gas guzzling SUVs. Those that have posted here, are the minority. I would say about 75 to 80% of those I have talked to want to get an SUV. They don't care about the gas prices or the environment. But then again most Americans are complete morons (see last presidential election). And yes I am a citizen of the US, born and raised. And because the government has shown that our voices don't matter, no one is willing to try to change anything.

[Atrocities]

Suicide Junkie said:
Wouldn't it be nice to have prices much higher, but have your first X liters subsidized and cheap?

You should add something like this to your plan in the ruler of the world thread.

Is that like Canadian humor or something?

[Ragnarok-X]

Atrocities said:
Brazil had the right idea back in the 80's. Now they are about a year away from telling OPEC and the Oil companies to piss off. If they can make sugar based fuel work with flex fuel cars, then why in the hell can't we?

Because you precious mr. president is having sex with the oil/gas industry ?

btw. Anyone heard about the project in sweden ? They are doing some crop/biomass thingy and are planning to be fully indepedent of standart oil until 2020.

[Renegade 13]

That could easily be the reactor I was thinking of. I actually read about it in the Dec. 2005 Scientific American, but I can't remember the exact content of the article. Might be they were planning on resurrecting the project.