Byblical Mod Discussion ("Moved" from Dom3 forum)

[Agrajag]

I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying there isn't a point.
You get all the holy spells at Holy-5, and the added preaching bonus isn't very useful.

[Nerfix]

Agrajag said:
I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying there isn't a point.
You get all the holy spells at Holy-5, and the added preaching bonus isn't very useful.

Added Holy can be useful with the Banishment spells.

Oh, and early ideas on units:

Militia:

Havay

Sling/Sickle

Havay

Scythe

Warriors:

Shomer Shayarot

Short Sword/Round Shield/Leather Armor/Copper Helmet

Lo'hem

Axe/Sling/Round Shield/Leather Armor/Copper Helmet

Tsayad

Axe/Short Bow/Leather Armor

The Elites:

Oman 'Herev (12 attack, 12 defence)

Short Sword/Round Shield/Copper Armor/Copper Helmet

Lo'hem Vatik (high precision, 11 strenght)

Axe/Sling/Round shield/Copper Armor/Copper Helmet

"Settlement Guard" (counts as 2 men in siege)

Mace/Sling/Round shield/Copper Armor/Copper Helmet

"Holy Warrior" (high stats, sacred)

Axe/Sling/Round Shield/Copper Armor/Copper Helmet

[Agrajag]

Sounds cool!
Comments:
-Its kind of funny, with all this holy these guys are going to become serious Undead killers, despite almost no mention at all of the Undead in the bible. But it's unavoidable.
-Short Swords/Axes/Maces should be Copper Short Swords/Copper Axes/Copper Maces, which should have slightly weaker stats (0-1 less attack than the original,0-1 less defence that the original, 1-2 less damage than the original).
-"Holy Warrior" can be:
I. Lohem Kadosh (holy warrior)
II. Lohem Kodesh (a warrior of holyness)
III. Lohem Mekudash (holy warrior [the difference is "mekudash" is passive, someone who has been made holy, while "kadosh" is simply holy)
IV. Lohem Masu'ah (an anointed warrior)
-"Settelment Guard" can be:
I. Shomer Yeshuvim (guardian of settelments)
II. Magen Yeshuvim (guardian of settelments)
III. Magen Hityashvuyot (guardian of settelments)
IV. Shomer Hityashvuyot (guardian of settelments)
V. Shomer Mivtsarim (guardian of fortresses)
VI. Magen Mivtsarim (guardian of fortresses)
VII. Shomer Bitsurim (guardian of barricades)
VIII. Magen Bitsurim (guardian of barricades)
IX. Magen Homot (guardian of walls)
X. Shomer Homot (guardian of walls)
XI. Shomer Migdalim (guardian of towers)
XII. Magen Migdalim (guardian of towers)
-10 units is average, you could add more by adding spear-bearers ("'Hanita'im"/"Kidona'im") , if you think it is necessary.

[Nerfix]

Spear-bearers?

[Agrajag]

You know, guys with spears, Spearmen O_O
Probably with a warrior chassis and:
Spear/Leather Armor/Copper Helmet
Maybe a Round Shield as well.

[Nerfix]

Agrajag said:
You know, guys with spears, Spearmen O_O
Probably with a warrior chassis and:
Spear/Leather Armor/Copper Helmet
Maybe a Round Shield as well.

Aaah, yes. Mmmmaybe.

BTW, does anybody here have any knowledge on the angels?

EDIT: M ysuggested lineup of magic sites

Cloud Pillars 1 S 1 A
Crystal Flames 1 S 1 F
Ancient Temple 1 S
*either of the GE Arco non-gem sites*

Unaesthetic, but it gives 3S 1 A 1F, and the Cloud Pillars are rather fitting, aren't they?

Depending on the number of capitol only units one of the Arco GE sites will be used.

[Agrajag]

Actually, I think its a rather fitting lineup.
Crystal Flames is kind of thematic if you think about the high priest's vest with 12 gems. (not sure if it whould be translated to gems, but it doesn't matter much either )

As for the angels... In the Bible angels are actually just messengers, and appear just like any other human being (ie no wings). If you feel like adding cooler angels you can add Seraphim, angels with many (I think four or eight) wings made of fire, and bigger than normal men IIRC.
My knowledge of jewish mysticism is rather limited...

*checks hebrew wikipedia* (there's a lot of interesting information in the english wikipedia, but you can read that yourself, and I'm kind of busy right now :\)
According to the hebrew wikipedia (which is luckily much more succint than the English one) angels in the bible are just messengers, but later a new meaning was created for them (traditional angels we all know).
Angels can look like people, they can also become invisible (glamour/ethereal?)
There are "angels of grace" which are immortal and angels of judgement (including the good ol' angel of death.), regarding whom there's no mention of immortality.
On rare occasions people can become angels.
Everything has a guardian angel, even plants. The angel that is in charge of mankind is called "Tselem"(image) or "Mazal"(luck).
Each angel usually performs just one function/mission.
Kruvim are... warriorlike angels... They have four wings and "the image of their face is that of the face of man, and the face of lion,and the face of bull, and the face of eagle). Apparently, they guard the tree of life. picture of assyrian statue that supposedly resemebles a kruv. They are armed with "Haravot Mithap'hot" (it is uknown exactly what this means, but with strict translation they are "turning swords", and IMO it means flaming swords).
Another page states they have the hands and body of a man, the hooves of a calf and the wings of an eagle.
The Seraphim are angels made from a burning material and they praise god. They have six (fiery?) wings, two to cover their legs, two to cover their faces, and two to fly with.
The entry also mentions four "special" angels, Gavriel, an angel of fire and heroism, lord of justice. Mi'hael, an angel of the grace of water and snow, lord of light, and warlord of god's army. Ori'el, an angel of enlightenment and intelligence, in charge of the armies of angels and "hell"(not really hell, but I don't know how to translate :\). Repha'el, an angel of healing. These guys symbolize the four elements (AFAIK, Gavriel=Fire, Mihael=Water, Ori'el=Air, Repha'el=Earth). (these guys are nice elemental summons / hero material)
One last thing is that angels could also be manifestation of a natural force.

Enough of angels for you?