Official SE5 release date announced - September 12

Ragnarok-X · #1 July 30th, 2006, 05:57 AM

Oh well, i have some more arguments at hand but i feel i will be misunderstood because of wrong grammar and/or wording.

At any rate, if you think its okay to buy games or stuff in general which is broken, do so. I simply wont, easy as it is.
And, even considering the amount of critism i got, i cant understand your point of view at all. You are spending your money for stuff that is mostly not working and you think thats fine ? weird.

Anyways, one more thing. You all like the point "oi so many systems, its very hard to make a game bug free".

But you obviously oversee i was clearly referring to GAME bugs, bugs within the code who have absolutly *NO* reference to a system setup. You like the bugs of Civ2 ? Fine, those are GAMEPLAY bugs, within the game, with absolutly no corespondence to a potential different setup.
That also negates the point of "consoles are always the same", because even if they are its not important since the bugs i am talking about are created not by graphical issues (which is usually the problem with hardware-based bugs) but gameplay bugs.
And, once again, these days almost every major game is retailed, with a patch or several patches following close after. Face it: The customer is being played with.,

Renegade: The reason i chose car vs game is easy. Because of the money. For the standart 16 year old guy a game is pretty expensive, as is a car for a 30 year old guy. I can as well just take a flat screen tv, that pair of inliners or potentially even your new mobile phones with loads of functions.
The gaming industry was a niche market years ago, but is more and more moving towards the mainstream. With this, the amount of money involved grows (Ubisoft, 60% more gain this year, anyone?), and so the Industry more and more moves towards "we want easy money, lets arse the customer", just like every other major player.

Xrati · #2 July 30th, 2006, 12:27 PM

This probably leads to the real reason that home PC game sales have been declining in the last couple of years, drawing attention to the console games. I just don't believe that games are playtested well enough these days as to trap bugs before it is released. OR else all the people who purchase the games are considered the 'playtesters.'

Parasite · #3 August 2nd, 2006, 12:50 PM

Any word yet on Preordering SEV? I don't really care about what serial number of disk I get, but I would like to run it soonest!

Fyron · #4 July 30th, 2006, 03:04 PM

Ragnarok-X said:
At any rate, if you think its okay to buy games or stuff in general which is broken, do so.

The arguments I've read seem to have been to the effect of "games today are not much more bugged than in the past," not "we like buying buggy products." Nobody likes buying buggy products, but that is how it is, so we have to make do.

That also negates the point of "consoles are always the same"...

No it doesn't. Console games require an order of magnitude less testing time on graphical/system config issues, which means more time to test other things (or faster time-to-market).

capnq · #5 July 31st, 2006, 12:54 PM

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Imperator Fyron said: The arguments I've read seem to have been to the effect of "games today are not much more bugged than in the past," not "we like buying buggy products." Nobody likes buying buggy products, but that is how it is, so we have to make do.

I think that's Rag-X's point though. If people stopped buying shoddy products, companies would have a financial incentive to improve quality. There just aren't enough people willing to pay for quality.

It's like the old saying: "Fast. Cheap. Good. Pick two." Enough people pick "fast & cheap" to keep the shovelware coming.

bearclaw · #6 July 31st, 2006, 02:08 PM

I hope SEV is a big success, because I think Aaron deserves it with his dedication and superior game concept.

I'm eager for the game because SE games are all I play.

I'm looking forward to playing games with all you guys in the future because this is by far, the best online community I've ever been a part of.

Even if the game is only a a mediocre success and only draws in a relatively small number of new people, I have no doubt in my mind that Aaron will continue to provide us all with the same level of commitment he has shown us all over these many many years.

Bugs in games are unfortunate, but inevitable because of the climate that PC games have evolved into. Wish it wasn't so, but it is. I'll be lined up at my local PC game store on Sept 12 to pick up my copy regardless.

bugs or no, I feel that because of our enthusiasm and Aaron's dedication, SE isn't going away anytime soon.

Renegade 13 · #7 July 30th, 2006, 10:26 PM

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Ragnarok-X said:
Renegade: The reason i chose car vs game is easy. Because of the money. For the standart 16 year old guy a game is pretty expensive, as is a car for a 30 year old guy. I can as well just take a flat screen tv, that pair of inliners or potentially even your new mobile phones with loads of functions.

I can understand why you chose the example you did, but I just don't think it was a very good comparison. Perhaps a better comparison would be Game vs. Book. If a game is buggy and you can't really play it, it's similar to buying a book that's missing a few pages here or there. I think that works well as a good comparison.

Ragnarok-X · #8 July 31st, 2006, 02:54 PM

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Renegade 13 said:I can understand why you chose the example you did, but I just don't think it was a very good comparison. Perhaps a better comparison would be Game vs. Book. If a game is buggy and you can't really play it, it's similar to buying a book that's missing a few pages here or there. I think that works well as a good comparison.

Hey,
okay, i 100% percent agree with you. Your example is DEFINITLY way better. Thanks