CS Cruiser Tanks Ammo loadout

[DRG]

There is a limit to the number of classes we can put into the game and that limit has been reached.

Don

[Mobhack]

also - if we made a special UK CS tank class, someone would
- Use that in another OOB for other things it was not intended for
- Write in complaining that the UK CS tanks have no ammo for thier howitzers!! in mobhack (not realising that the smoke comes from the initialisation code for the unit class)..

What we have now is a useful game-engine compromise for a minority unit (2 per cruiser squadron in the early war only), and also allows for the later 95mm support tanks as well utilising the same unit classes.

Cheers
Andy

[chuckfourth]

Hi Don
I think there may be a solution to this problem, could the later 95mm CS "cruiser" tanks (cromwell and comet) be moved into class '129-Close Support Tank'? Maybe this would then leave just the 2 early war cruiser tanks in '104-CS cruiser tank'. This class could be altered to allow these vehicles (and so their formations) to be modeled correctly. ie HE largly replaced by smoke and hence no ability to attack AT guns beyond MG range. The 95mm churchills already have their own class, '106-CS infantry tank'.
By the way, Is there any easy way I can tell what units are in each class? Also I would be very interested to know what the various class's parameters/charateristics are. Would this be possible?
Best Regards Chuck.

[narwan]

The following units use class 104 IN THE UK OB ALONE:

009 - Crusader I-CS - Available 05/041 to 03/042
011 - Crusader II-CS - Available 01/042 to 04/043
015 - Cromwell VI - Available 01/043 to 12/044
134 - A9 CS - Available 01/035 to 11/041
136 - A13 CS - Available 04/038 to 11/041
142 - Crusader III - Available 05/042 to 05/043
165 - Cromwell VIII - Available 03/044 to 12/046
200 - M3 SP 75mm - Available 01/043 to 12/044 *has X3 Radio Code*
296 - Honey - Available 11/041 to 06/042 *has X3 Radio Code*


The following units in the french OB use class 104:

211 - Crusader ICS - Available 05/041 to 03/042
213 - Crusader IICS - Available 01/042 to 04/043
359 - H-39 - Available 08/040 to 04/041
561 - Grant I - Available 10/042 to 04/043


The following units in the soviet OB use class 104:

003 - BT-7a - Available 06/037 to 10/041
095 - BT-5a - Available 01/035 to 09/041
115 - BT-2a - Available 10/031 to 07/041


In the Anzac OB the following use class 104:

013 - Crusader II-CS - Available 07/042 to 10/042
026 - Sherman IB - Available 01/045 to 12/046


In the Czechoslovakian OB its:

323 - Cromwell Mk.VI - Available 06/045 to 02/048


Easy way to find them is via Mobhack, goto 'database check utilities', select 'units checks', select or type in the desired unit class and press 'find UC'.

Narwan

[DRG]

Which is precisely why we won't be altering an existing class to only load smoke shells.( Narwan knows this.... this info is for everyone else who doesn't ) Even if "104-CS cruiser tank" was only used by a couple if units in one OOB that doesn't mean it's not used by a dozen other OOB's.

As Narwan said, finding out what units use the various unit classes can be done using Mobhack. Load an OOB then click on "FILE" then click on "database check utilities". You can find out what units and what formations use each unit class for that OOB. To find them in another OOB you need to load that OOB first. The Unit classes themselves are described in the Game Guide.

One last point. Save yourself the trouble of going through all the OOBs looking for an unused class that we can code to only load smoke shells. Even if you do find one, we're not planning on creating a smoke shell only UC.

Don

[chuckfourth]

Hi Don
Fair enough, thanks for the reply.
Chuck.

[chuckfourth]

Hi Narwan
Thanks for that, deceptively named class isnt it.
Best Chuck.