2 Pounder AA GUN ???????

[DRG]

TDR said:
After a look through the ANZAC OOB I can only find a 2pdr AA-Gun, Class Flak, an Inf AAMG, class Infantry AAMG and a M15 & 16, class SP AA.

And next time you want to look through the OOB's for weapons and want to do it right open up MOBHack, click on "Database Check Utilities" then press the "Weapons by class" button and if you then press 004 "Flak-AA capable" you will find all the weapons that can fire at aircraft and you would have found all of these......

010 - 20mm Polsten AA
011 - 37mm M1 AA-Gun
013 - 1.5 pdr AA-Gun
017 - 2 pdr AA-Gun
115 - Quad Besa AAMG
135 - Vickers 'K' (2)
139 - 30 cal AAMG
140 - 50 cal M2 AAMG
141 - 50 cal (2) AAMG
147 - 20mm Oerlikon
148 - .303 Bren AAMG
215 - 50cal Quad AAMG

which is considerably more than the "I can only find" 4 you mentioned.

Don

[TDR]

In my original post I was referring to units not weapons.
Also out of that list of weapons all bar Weapon #013 - 1.5 pdr AA-Gun and #017 - 2 pdr AA-Gun are mounted on some form of self propelled vehicle, track wheeled or boat.

With respect to Units the only direct anti aircraft artillery pieces are:
Unit #205 - Static AA Gun from 30 to 49 with 3in Vickers AA
Unit #367 - 1.5pdr Empl from 30 to 49 with 1.5 pdr AA-Gun
Unit #64 - 2pdr AA-Gun from 30 to 49 with 2 pdr AA-Gun
Unit #265 - Inf AAMG from 30 to 49 with .303 Bren AAMG

Renaming the 2 Pounder Anti-Aircraft Gun as a ‘40mm Bofors AA’ implies it has the characteristics of such a weapon. The 2 Pounder Anti-Aircraft does not according to the weapons values in the Weapon table.

By 1942 there were many 3.7 inch heavy AA emplacements and Bofors 40mm AA guns though out Australia and PNG. Yet the Unit table would suggest otherwise.

The Bofors 40mm was being operated by the 4th Australian Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment in Syria in June 1942 and Egypt August 42.
In 1941 the 2nd Australian Heavy Anti-Aircraft Regiment was operating 3.7 inch Anti-Aircraft guns in Syria.

It has been indicated that the 2 and 1.5 Pounder Anti-Aircraft guns were somewhat obsolete by the start of WWII but they appear to have run the full course with no replacements or additions in this particular OOB.

As we appear to have different points of view on this it seems the simplest to leave this OOB collectively as it stands.

[DRG]

Note I said I changed this a couple of days ago. I also changed the weapon and added the correct weapon stats in the master OOB. The "2 pdr AA" stays with the naval units and the ground based mount is now named back to being "40mm Bofors AA" and the weapon it uses is the correct Bofors stats. Also note the photo of that weapon is the stock "Bofors" photo. Back when these weapons were renamed in the commonwealth OOB's it was done overzealously and the corrections will be in the next release.

Also, we do not include heavy AA guns in this game. This has been discussed numerous times on this and other forums. However, I will look into including this gun as a ground mount if indeed it was used in a ground role by the Australians. If it was used strictly as an AA gun it will not be added

Don

[TDR]

Don, thany you for this.
I only made reference to the 3.7 inch Anti Aircraft gun as it would be an alternate to the ‘3in Vickers AA’ in Unit #205 Static AA Gun.
I was not advocating Heavy Anti Aircraft gun use in the game.

The only reference I have to the 3.7 Inch being used as a ground based weapon was at Milne Bay, August 1942. Here the guns were used in an indirect fire role as the 25 pounders did not have the range and could not be moved. The 3.7 inch shells were fitted with the 25 pounder shell’s fuses.
Ref:
http://gunnersnet.com/gnrs0046.html
This is the simplest reference to this but I do have others as well as a copy of the original ‘test results’ to say this fuse adaptation worked.

At present I don’t have any other reference to this gun being used in a similar role, simply as I have not been looking for such references. This does not say it did not occur. If I happen to find any I will pass it along.

[Mobhack]

Plenty of references, if you look up the artillery in XIV Army in Burma. 3.7 AA was regularly used as arty there - if the terrain was flat enough for the battery to engage (ultra flat trajectory meant no real ability to engage any targets in any sort of defilade). Esp later on in the war, when there was no real air defence task.

However - not really worth putting in the game, a troop of 25 pounders does the trick as 3.7 in ground pounding mode.

Cheers
Andy