Leadership levels upped, I see?

[alexti]

NTJedi said:

I'm also a fan of Machaka yet I play most large or huge maps... I moved to different nations because I hated having the worst province defense.

Does PD really make much differense? I've never paid much attention to it. Everybody can defend vs single scout and nobody can do anything vs decent army. Well, I suppose, Jotuns have easier time deflecting hawk invasions and such with smaller numbers.

[NTJedi]

alexti said:
[Does PD really make much differense? I've never paid much attention to it. Everybody can defend vs single scout and nobody can do anything vs decent army. Well, I suppose, Jotuns have easier time deflecting hawk invasions and such with smaller numbers.

Yes in really large maps I notice a difference. I've had good Machaka province defense lose to 'call of the winds'. Machakas province defense will die from tennis balls because of the zero protection. In SP the weak province defense is mostly an annoyance. In MP the weak province defense is more an issue... but again this is for really large maps.

[alexti]

NTJedi said:

Yes in really large maps I notice a difference. I've had good Machaka province defense lose to 'call of the winds'. Machakas province defense will die from tennis balls because of the zero protection. In SP the weak province defense is mostly an annoyance. In MP the weak province defense is more an issue... but again this is for really large maps.

I've played really large maps only in MP and in my experience for the most of the game (except early game) the normal way to take opponents provinces was through GR or raiding parties where PD doesn't make much difference anyway. Ok, maybe Pangaea or Caelum can give trouble to some raiding parties, but other than that, what were people attacking with so that PD mattered?

[NTJedi]

alexti said:
I've played really large maps only in MP and in my experience for the most of the game (except early game) the normal way to take opponents provinces was through GR or raiding parties where PD doesn't make much difference anyway. Ok, maybe Pangaea or Caelum can give trouble to some raiding parties, but other than that, what were people attacking with so that PD mattered?

My 15_PD was falling to 'call of the winds'.
The opponent with the soulstone could send the wolves which could then sneak into a nearby territory and attack some other location.
Once the farming of pearls becomes effective madmen would easily pounce a territory far behind the lines.
Late stages of the game I notice the bad province defense.

It's also an uncomfortable feeling for me knowing all the other nations have better province defense.

[alexti]

I didn't know it's that bad that 15 loses to COW. Otherwise, I think it's the same for most of nations - PD vs wolves or madmen is impractical. And I agree that those wolves are annoying because they're hard to catch. With a suitable national (Caelum, C'tis) etc it's usually more practical to park a spammer in every worthwhile province.