What is really new?

alexti · #1 September 16th, 2006, 01:32 PM

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jowe01 said:
Thanks for all the answers. Do not get me wromg, I think DOM2 was a great game, hence DOM3, which I (and most of the respondents here)regard as mainly being "more of the same" will be a great game, too.

OTOH, while I like to get more of what I loved in DOM2, is this really the way to make a new game nearly 3 years after the last installment was published? I still find that more suitable to a service patch or an extension. But that is just my opinion. I am definitely going to give the demo a try.

I'm not sure what concept of "Game N+1" (sequel) you have. I find that these kind of changes (various improvements, some new stuff, some changes in mechanics while retaining the core gameplay) fit my idea of a sequel. I would imagine if Illwinter made some really new game they would call it somehow differently (not "Dominions").

In any case, what difference would it make whether it is called sequel, service patch or expansion?

DominionsFan · #2 September 17th, 2006, 04:31 AM

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alexti said:

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jowe01 said:
Thanks for all the answers. Do not get me wromg, I think DOM2 was a great game, hence DOM3, which I (and most of the respondents here)regard as mainly being "more of the same" will be a great game, too.

OTOH, while I like to get more of what I loved in DOM2, is this really the way to make a new game nearly 3 years after the last installment was published? I still find that more suitable to a service patch or an extension. But that is just my opinion. I am definitely going to give the demo a try.

I'm not sure what concept of "Game N+1" (sequel) you have. I find that these kind of changes (various improvements, some new stuff, some changes in mechanics while retaining the core gameplay) fit my idea of a sequel. I would imagine if Illwinter made some really new game they would call it somehow differently (not "Dominions").

In any case, what difference would it make whether it is called sequel, service patch or expansion?

I agree with alexti. There will be many new additions in Dominions 3. The AI will be upgraded, to the SP fans can be happy also. Lot of new units, spells etc. The game will be also easier for new players. Less micromanagement, hella powerful modding commands [basically you can almost change everything what you want]...and I could continue. This is definitely not just an "expansion".

Cainehill · #3 September 17th, 2006, 11:44 AM

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alexti said:

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jowe01 said:
Thanks for all the answers. Do not get me wromg, I think DOM2 was a great game, hence DOM3, which I (and most of the respondents here)regard as mainly being "more of the same" will be a great game, too.

OTOH, while I like to get more of what I loved in DOM2, is this really the way to make a new game nearly 3 years after the last installment was published? I still find that more suitable to a service patch or an extension. But that is just my opinion. I am definitely going to give the demo a try.

I'm not sure what concept of "Game N+1" (sequel) you have. I find that these kind of changes (various improvements, some new stuff, some changes in mechanics while retaining the core gameplay) fit my idea of a sequel. I would imagine if Illwinter made some really new game they would call it somehow differently (not "Dominions").

Yeah - looking at "mass market", the Disciples games, Kohan series, Ages of Wizards, etc, (even Diablo & Diablo 2) are pretty much exactly that - more of the the things found in the earlier games, sometimes a little bit better, sometimes not.

Gandalf Parker · #4 September 17th, 2006, 04:05 PM

Sequels used to be continuations of the storyline. They didnt have to change anything. Like the old bard tale games. Sure they kept up with graphic card changes and such but not much else. A sequel was more of the same game.

Any of them that havent done that have tended to tick me off. I dont WANT to buy a sequel which is so changed that its a completely different game. If you are going to do that then give it a new name. Dont cash in on the old name.

JaydedOne · #5 September 17th, 2006, 04:11 PM

*smile* I think this thread shows there are a variety of expectations as to what a sequel should be. My thoughts on the matter are pretty simple -- you read the AARs, the Screenies thread, and a few other info sources and you see if they get you excited about the product. If they do, you buy. If not, don't.

Why get worked up over the semantic question of what a "sequel" is?

Cainehill · #6 September 18th, 2006, 03:34 PM

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Any of them that havent done that have tended to tick me off. I dont WANT to buy a sequel which is so changed that its a completely different game. If you are going to do that then give it a new name. Dont cash in on the old name.

Yeah - like with the "sequels" to Master of Orion.

Daynarr · #7 September 18th, 2006, 05:07 PM

I was burned out on Dom2. Played it so long that I simply couldn't anymore. Then when I started playing Dom3 I got re-addicted. No burnout from Dom2 at all. I guess that should mean that Dom3 is different (and better) enough then Dom2 to be classified as sequel. It's not just more of the same, many things changed in gameplay and the feel of the game.

DominionsFan · #8 September 18th, 2006, 05:09 PM

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Daynarr said:
I was burned out on Dom2. Played it so long that I simply couldn't anymore. Then when I started playing Dom3 I got re-addicted. No burnout from Dom2 at all. I guess that should mean that Dom3 is different (and better) enough then Dom2 to be classified as sequel. It's not just more of the same, many things changed in gameplay and the feel of the game.

Well in that case, there is the possibility that you will 'burn out' after a period regarding Doms 3. also. I mean I've played a lot as well with the game, and I never burned out.

Daynarr · #9 September 18th, 2006, 05:13 PM

You didnt play as long as me. I was in Dom2 beta so I started earlier. It took me long time to get that burnout feeling. Actually I was playing it like a madman (or like an addict) most of that time and I almost didn't touch any other game.

JaydedOne · #10 September 18th, 2006, 05:14 PM

I think what burned me out on Dominions2 were the limited options when it came to the endgame as well as a few of the more frustrating exploits. The mods which began to correct the latter didn't come out until I'd already lost interest.

So Dom3 is definitely cause for excitement.