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October 10th, 2006, 03:06 AM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
No, you have to maintain a steam account. You might be able to keep playing the game, but you will definitely be unable to reinstall or patch it in the future without an active Steam account. Note that there are other downloadable versions of the game that do not use Steam, such as the one offered directly by S1st. The SE4 downloadables tended to be flakier than the Steam version though.
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October 10th, 2006, 03:27 AM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
Erf.
In case I would have a friend in NY, and in case that friend could be made visiting me after the 16th, and in case I would like to ask that friend to bring me a gift, in which shop should I advise him to go to get a boxed SE5 ? 
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October 10th, 2006, 04:42 PM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
I hate electronic manuals. Give me a paper manual and I will play the game.
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October 10th, 2006, 05:15 PM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
You do get a smaller paper manual with the boxed game, but the PDF is much bigger and contains colour pictures of practically everything. It would be uneconomical to include that as a hard copy.
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October 10th, 2006, 07:06 PM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
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I hate electronic manuals. Give me a paper manual and I will play the game.
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You can push the "print" button and it will magically become paper manual without costing a penny to MM 
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October 10th, 2006, 07:17 PM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
Ok let me put it too you this way. I used to pay $40.00 to $50.00 for a game that actually came with a manual. It didn't cost me any thing extra.
Today I still pay between $40.00 and $50.00 dollars for a game but no manual. So now not only do I have to pay full price for the game, I have to pay even more for the paper and the ink to print the game manual???? In todays age publishing a manual is no where near as expensive as it was five or even two years ago. Hell with all the new Xerox and LeXmark copier and printer technology they could mass produce manuals all day and still cost only penies. Whereas the cartrages of ink for my HP printer costs $50.00 dollars each and last only about 250 pages.
No Thanks. That is just greed on the game publishers end pure and simple.
Even more evidence of greed. We used to get nice solid jewel cases for the game disks. Now all we get are paper disk covers. Hum... how much do jewel cases cost? While we pay about $20.00 for 100 of them, they the game publishers pay about $0.6 cents for them.
(Small game publishers like Shrapnel are exempt from this. heir profit margins are so small that these costs do end up saving money and are perfectly valid cost control measures. But larger publishers who sell tens of thousands of games can aford the extra $2.06 that it would cost to include a manual along with a protective jewel case for the game.)
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October 10th, 2006, 10:00 PM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
Thanks for the post, Jarena.
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October 10th, 2006, 10:13 PM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
At least we can still download a manual; in the console world you have to buy a "strategy guide" for $20 just to get what used to be in the manuals.
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October 10th, 2006, 10:53 PM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
Maybe we have paper cover for CD instead of plastic to save the earth ecology ?
Maybe we have no printed manuals to save the Amazonian forest ?
Maybe I'm very naive  ?
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October 10th, 2006, 11:00 PM
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Re: SE:V Manual Released
No offense, but I doubt the paper manuals are printed on trees cut down in the Amazon. Trees harvested for paper are generally the product of tightly controlled harvesting of a renewable resource. About the jewel cases you may have a point, although users can just buy their own empty cases cheaply anyway. Saving the environment is a worthy goal, in any case.
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Vogon ships are yellow chunky slablike somethings, huge as office buildings, silent as birds. They hang in the air in much the same way that bricks don't.
(R.I.P. Douglas Adams)
-War is peace -Freedom is slavery -Ignorance is strength
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man as modest stillness and humility.
- W. Shakespeare (Henry V)
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