OT: Insightful (re: Amish shooting)

[Mephisto]

RonGianti said:
Too bad the guy who killed her parents with a hammer, then killed her brother a week later and repeatedly raped the 8 year old girl for a week didn't believe the same as you.

It is horrible and a shame, no doubt about that. But I fail to see how killing him will make anybody else alive or give them justice. As much as I despise what such people do, they are still people and killing without dire need (read: self defense or defense of others from imminent peril) is wrong. The public is just as save when you put them into jail for the time being. An argument that this will cost money is, well, very problematic. Can it be right to kill someone to save cash?
The world did not come crashing down on my country when the death penalty was abolish 60 years ago. My humble opinion.

RonGianti said: And it should be her right, when she is old enough to decide, that if it would feel right to her that a trial go on, and he be put to death for his crimes, that too should be her inalienable right, not through herself as an individual, but through the institution of goverment, which has the right to enforce its higher will on individuals and always has.

I think we must agree to disagree over the matter. IMHO there is no unalienable right to kill someone for revenge. And if no individual has this right, it cannot be transferred to the state. All power of the state derives from the people.

In the end, we do agree on the subject of women rights. It is sick how many women are treated.