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Old October 23rd, 2006, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: 1.08 bugs.

Yes, if you have ever seen the "stutter step dance" (SSD)(tm) this makes sense.

SSD = a ship moves into sensor range of a warp point, sees an enemy on the warp point, decides that he doesn't want to engage, moves 1 sector toward another warp point and now out of sensor range of the original warp point, now can't see the enemy, realizes that the original warp point path is shorter, moves 1 sector back toward the original warp point, again sees the enemy, wash, rinse, repeat.
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Old October 23rd, 2006, 08:19 PM

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Yes, if you have ever seen the "stutter step dance" (SSD)(tm) this makes sense.

SSD = a ship moves into sensor range of a warp point, sees an enemy on the warp point, decides that he doesn't want to engage, moves 1 sector toward another warp point and now out of sensor range of the original warp point, now can't see the enemy, realizes that the original warp point path is shorter, moves 1 sector back toward the original warp point, again sees the enemy, wash, rinse, repeat.
Now that one I have never seen. Talk about stoopid! It's bad enough when ships change course to a different a much longer route because a WP several systems away is temporarily blocked by a non-ally ship. But this is completely ridiculous.
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Old October 23rd, 2006, 10:01 PM
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I have it happen all the time, especially with lone colony ships, if I send them 2-3 systems thru areas that might be being explored by other empires (that don't have a peace treaty with me).
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Old October 24th, 2006, 02:01 AM

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I tried to launch satellites from a planet while the planet and a ship that couldn't launch units were both selected, but after launching a few I tried to recover one because it was launching the wrong satellites, and the game crashed. In other words, it crashed because I tried to recover a satellite with a ship that couldn't recover them. EDIT: corrected this

The AI will send me technologies as part of a standing treaty, even if I don't have the requisite technologies, but I won't actually get them. The log says that I've researched them, but they're not there. It does this with every turn.

Occasionally the sound in combat will stop for a while, even when there is alot of shooting going on, then start up again. Along these same lines, sounds sometimes play way too loudly.

The way names and flags are displayed on the system map is somewhat odd, especially if you have more than one information toggle turned on. Names will often be displayed over other names, resulting in unreadable garbage. I'd suggest having ship names display seperate from planet names and if there is more than one ship or planet in the sector, have it say something like "multiple ships" or "multiple planets", instead of a pile of letters. In top-down mode, the flags cover names and other info, and it is sometimes difficult to see the selection indicator (especially if it is pointing at a planet with a ring and you are zoomed out somewhat far, the ring will cover the indicator). I'd suggest making the selection indicator display superimposed and translucent over the 3d display, so that it is always visible.

The mouse control seems occasionally slow and choppy, making the process of moving the mouse pointer around and clicking a bit more cumbersome than it would otherwise be. I think this is partly why people are complaining about having to click too much. When it takes 2-3 times longer to operate the interface than what we're used to, people tend to feel that the game is a bit lethargic. A minor issue, perhaps, but if it can be fixed it should be - at some point.

All in all, SE5 is one of the most impressive independent games I've ever seen. I'm not surprised to see some bugs this close after release, but the fact that it was rushed is evident, some bugs are okay but there are quite a few here. No doubt the publisher is to blame for that, eh... Well, at least it runs.

Kudos to the dev team who I know is already hard at work fixing stuff.
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Old October 24th, 2006, 03:00 AM

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I have an issue Inoticed. When I have two types of pop on a planet, one that breathes the atmosphere of the planet and one that doesnt, and I try to take all of the non atmosphere breathing population off via transport to get rid of the "dome" over my colony and unlock the full storage and facility room of the planet it wont let me! I can take all of the population up to the last 1k despite that fact that there is still thousands of the other population on the planet so it would not be "abandoned"! This worked in the demo, I dont get why it doesn't now...
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Old October 24th, 2006, 03:15 AM

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Default Re: 1.08 bugs.

It seems that there is something with planet cargo that got broken in 1.08

I also noticed that when deploying satellites from a planet, you can't deploy specific satellites, it will deploy the one at the top of the list each time. If the satellite you want is at the bottom (such as a sensor sat), and you choose to launch it, it will launch the one at the top of the list (which in my case was a weapon sat).
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Old October 24th, 2006, 09:23 AM

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When I have two types of pop on a planet, one that breathes the atmosphere of the planet and one that doesnt,
There was a bug in 1.00 that would allow you to remove the entire population of a planet. It happened by mistake if you built a colonizer, then told it to colonize a planet, it could take all the population off the current planet and leave it lifeless.

1.08 made it so you can't remove the last 1 mil population, but now 2 races are forced together... In the meantime, you can actually scrap (!) population or jettison them so only the race that breathes the atmosphere is left.

Tiny cruiseships come by and pick them up and take them on an interstellar vacation, in case you are concerned.
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Old October 24th, 2006, 10:03 AM

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A bunch of 1.08 bugs. Several are dupes but it can't hurt to re-iterate them.

Oh and I agree that the interface needs work. There are far too many places where its not intuitive.

Note: A couple of days ago I sent an email to malfdor with a whole bunch more bugs. A couple of these reference bugs in that e-mail

Anyhow, the bugs


1) - I was being attacked by a non-treatied player. 5 Frigates attacking my undefended world. Using strategic view.
Problem is that both my planet AND the enemies 5 ships were all in the "defenders" column together.
Note: A different planet was attacked by a different player, but in that case both parties were in their correct columns.

2) - I recieved a treaty proposal from the AI that had:
Share Resupply
Share Commucations
It had a few other elements, but these two were broken because they didn't actually have any of their sub-elements selected. i.e. They did not specify whether it would affect both empires, or one specifically. They were blank, both in the "view" and when replying with a counter-offer and altering the treaty elements.

I later recieved a different treaty proposal which had the element "mutual defence aid" checked but with a blank sub-section. This is odd because the MDA clause only has one sub-section. :?

I did manage to agree to a treaty with the non-existant clauses and the game didn't crash, so that's something.

3) Pathfinding bug - Although this is also a mapping issue. "Seeing all systems" is off, and I have not traded any mapping data with any other races. Basically I have to explore the "old fashioned" way.
There are two systems which are connected. Except that neither system has been fully explored and I cannot yet see the warp points which are connecting them in EITHER system. The problem is twofold:
a) On my galaxy map it is clearly showing that the two systems are known to be linked together.
b) I have a ship plotting its course through this unexplored warp-point and coming out at the other unexplored warp-link. The pathfinding line goes into the red (unexplored) area in one system, stops, and then pops up in the next system in another red area.


4) - For some reason it's not possible to adjust the width of columns in listings. I.e. on the colonies list it would be nice to be able to change the widths so that you could make the ones that are too large (like planet name) smaller.

5) - On a related note - Why doesn't it remember your custom layouts between games? It doesn't remember your empire options between games either. In fact it remembers damn little (nothing to be exact).

6) - Why do I have to give my treaties names? At least against the AI this is pointless and just results in me constantly forgetting and having to spend an extra 10 seconds editing my treaty proposals.

7) - I received several anomalous event logs pertaining to research. Namely I recieved the following 4:
New Tech Level
Tech 1 - Energy streaming
Tech 1 - Torpedo weapons
Tech 1 - Smaller weapons
Tech 1 - Shield damaging weapons
The problem was that this was after researching contra terrene engines lvl 4.
I suspect these are because my ally is sharing his research with me. So why don't the messages say they are courtesy of my allies? Its confusing seeing messages about research you've not conduced (initially I thought it was another bug).

8) - Anyhow there is still a bug proper there. Because I get those messages EVERY TURN. I'm pretty sure its because I don't have the necessary pre-requisites (i.e. "Military Theory" for torps). Them being given every single turn is just silly.

9) - In my e-mail I reported a bug about a ship going forwards and backwards repeatedly forever, turn after turn.
Well that's happened again (twice). But now I think I know the cause. I gave the ship orders to go to another system. This involved it passing through a hex that it later (as in when it came into sensor range) found out was occupied by an enemy ship. For some reason rather than just stopping (or re-pathing around), it decides to go back and forth indefinately, even after the ship that was in the way has gone.

10) - why does the paused strategic combat screen have a framerate of 12fps (about the same as when its unpaused!)? On average I'm getting abut 30, but the strategic combat screen doesn't include any 3d stuff at all that I can see.
And when I open the ship-report panel that shows a ships components, it plummets down to 4fps!!! -
Note - In tactical if I open the ship report panel, the frame rate plummets to 4fps too.

11) - I somehow managed to get the cheat-code entry text to come up. But now I can't get rid of it. not escape, not return (both pressed repeatedly), not random bashing on the keyboard, it simply won't go away. As such I now can't use keyboard shortcuts until I restart the game or maybe just end the turn. Nope, even when I end a turn it's still there on the new turn!!!! HOW DO I GET RID OF IT? In the end I had to re-load the game. Not good.

12) - If I research 6 levels of something in one turn (i.e. "Starship Resupply" lvls 1 to 6), why do I get six messages telling me that I've completed these six levels of tech, PLUS I get six messages telling me that a new facility (Resupply 1-6) has just been developed. Wouldn't it be neater to only show the top level that was researched (i.e. lvl 6)? Especially in relation to the facility seeing as you can't actually use the lower level ones.

13) - The game doesn't seem to want to let me load my pre-saved empires when creating a new game. I get: "This empire cannot be added because it has used more racial points than are allowed."
Problem is, its not. This has happened to both my saved empires, and they are both using 3,000racial points.
But even when I set the racial point count to 5,000 for the game it still won't let me load those empires.
The weird thing, is that if I load up a saved game type which has 3,000 Racial points set, it will let me use those pre-saved empires.

14) - When I load an empire from file and go to edit it, it gives me 476,000 technology points to use. Which is wrong because I've never used tech-points (always leave it off). When I create a new empire manually this number is at 0.
The really really bad thing is that you can then use those 476,000 TP in a game where the rules say you should have 0 (I just tested it). Obivously this gives you an unfair advantage.

15) - I played a game where I had turned off inteligence. There are two bugs here:
a) I was able to research intelligence stuff still.
b) The AI not only researched intelligence things but also built them!

16) - I wanted a weapon platform. I auto-designed it and it had several supply pods and ordanance storage pods. But I couldn't manually add those pods to it. Similarly it came with a medical bay (why?) but its not available on the component list for me to add manually. The filter is set to "show all components".



Hmnm, 16 bugs. Not bad.
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Default Re: 1.08 bugs.

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Yes, if you have ever seen the "stutter step dance" (SSD)(tm) this makes sense.

SSD = a ship moves into sensor range of a warp point, sees an enemy on the warp point, decides that he doesn't want to engage, moves 1 sector toward another warp point and now out of sensor range of the original warp point, now can't see the enemy, realizes that the original warp point path is shorter, moves 1 sector back toward the original warp point, again sees the enemy, wash, rinse, repeat.
As pointed out in my bug list, this continues to happen even when the route the ship wanted to take becomes clear.
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Sounds like my management is running your ships.
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