Q; Regarding Communion Master/Slaves

[Quietly]

I also noticed it not showing up, makes it very annoying to see the mechanics... eg whether there is a bug or exactly how it works... I mean, if I have 4 communion masters and 8 slaves, do the masters recieve +1 or +3 to all paths?

kinda confused about the exact workings of communion anyway... seems like slaves end up with way more fatigue than the masters.... which seems odd to me, if you have a master and 2 slaves, shouldn't they all carry roughly 1/3 of it minus reinvigoration? or are there calculations on the slaves encumbrance and so forth... just wondering, because using slave matrix on some plain old commanders, ends up with them having huge fatigue; if anything, seems like slaves should have less fatigue, since the masters have to pay fatigue cost of the spell + spellcasting encumbrance, whereas slaves just standing still should only share fatigue cost?

[Frostmourne27]

AFAIK:
2 slaves: +1 to all paths
4 slaves: +2 to all paths
8 slaves: +3 to all paths
etc

Fatigue is calculated like this I think. Pretend you have a communion of A High Priest of the Sun (F2B3) and 4 Moon Priests (S2B2). High Priest is the master (remember than sabath and communion are interchagable). High priest is now F4B5, and Moon Priests are S4B4. High priest of the sun casts Spell XXX, which requires blood 4. Now the math get really weird: each moon priest get 1/5 of the fatigue to that would be incured by casting this spell with blood 4. The High Priest of the Sun gets 1/5 of the fatigue that a blood 5 mage would get when casting this blood 4 spell. Also note that the fatigue sharing is not optional, and that fatigue over 200 turns into health damage. You can kill communion slaves if you are not carefull. AFAIK, fatigue is only from master to slaves, wheras buffs get shared both ways. (that is, when a communion slave casts a spell, his master doesn't get fatigue - the slave gets it all.)

[Quietly]

well, thats interesting... still curious though, about how communion works with multiple masters...

if there are 2 masters and 8 slaves, do all masters and slaves get +3 to all paths? and slaves share both masters' fatigue costs?

and can mages be both slaves and masters... say there 2 or 3 slaves, and 2 having both casted slave/master... will masters share each others' fatigue when casting spells? will they factor into the bonus to paths? can they be slaves to themselves? or is this not possible at all...

[Zebion]

The slaves' don't get the increased spell magic,only masters

[Arameyan]

Quietly said:
and can mages be both slaves and masters... say there 2 or 3 slaves, and 2 having both casted slave/master... will masters share each others' fatigue when casting spells? will they factor into the bonus to paths? can they be slaves to themselves? or is this not possible at all...

Thats also my question! I want to try Ctis shamans casting both communion master and communion slave. Is it possible? such strategy wouldn't be useful for fatigue but have advantages in terms of magic level and individual spells.

[mivayan]

Arameyan said:
Thats also my question! I want to try Ctis shamans casting both communion master and communion slave. Is it possible? such strategy wouldn't be useful for fatigue but have advantages in terms of magic level and individual spells.

bad idea. as soon as a master has cast a spell, all slaves will be passive that turn.

BigJMoney said:I didn't know that the magic paths of the slaves is increased, too. Are you sure it's not just the paths of the master?

I'm now kind of wondering if it's possible to take a fatigue "penalty" for being the slave recipient of fatigue from a spell actually above your path ability to cast. For example, a slave taking his portion of of an 800 fatigure spell split 8 ways would be 100 if his path equals the path of the spell. If he is one level below the path of the spell, does he take 200 fatigue?

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Slaves dont get increased magic skills when they cast spells. But when calculating fatigue for the masters spells, they get the communion bonus to all paths even if they have no magic skill. And yes, slaves get double their share of the spell fatigue (and also double their encumbrance) if they have 1 skill too little.

[Potatoman]

I've got a question regarding communion AI. It seems like commanders who cast communion slave or carry slave matrixes will not follow scripts and simply sit where you place them and do nothing.

Is this intended?

Edit: The slaves seem to always try to do what the communion master is doing, even if they cannot (say, because they lack the right magic paths).

Edit again: Sometimes the slaves do nothing, but sometimes they follow scripts. Very strange!

[alexti]

General rule is that communion slaves do something only when they are not assisting communion master.

In Dom2 you could script masters to cast various buffs and then everybody to attack. Communinon slaves wouldn't move forward, but if the enemy approached they would fight, so one would place slaves in front. My favourite slaves for that were Tartarians.

I haven't checked if the mechanics is still the same in Dom3 though.

[BigJMoney]

Frostmourne27 said:
Pretend you have ... 4 Moon Priests [slaves] (S2B2). ... Moon Priests are [now] S4B4.

I didn't know that the magic paths of the slaves is increased, too. Are you sure it's not just the paths of the master?

I'm now kind of wondering if it's possible to take a fatigue "penalty" for being the slave recipient of fatigue from a spell actually above your path ability to cast. For example, a slave taking his portion of of an 800 fatigure spell split 8 ways would be 100 if his path equals the path of the spell. If he is one level below the path of the spell, does he take 200 fatigue?

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