ATTN: All players for "P&N on PBW, take 2"

[Baron Grazic]

Sorry, my turn to hold the game up.

I've bloody forgotten the password, but it is stored within the Work Email system but the work VPN is down. I would complain to the person who looks after the VPN, but that's me.
I'm back from holidays on Monday (Oz time) and will give the game a High Priority.

What could possibly be scary about my name???

Haven't you heard that Dumb Luck beats Skill anyday and I'm guessing they are afraid of the combination of both?

[Skulky]

Yes i have come back, when i heard that my empire, left in the early stages of its life because of the RW i returned to help, however, i dont' get what's causing the APLU thing and this whole turn 64/62 controversy.

[ October 18, 2002, 21:22: Message edited by: Skulky ]

[dumbluck]

And the UCE are leaderless no more! Their founder has returned from beyond the grave!

Welcome back, Chocolatefro.

[Fyron]

Some people didn't pay attention and the turn processed without them when Dumbluck set the game back to auto turns from ALPU.

[dumbluck]

However, the game was turned back to After Last Player Upload (ALPU) shortly after that, mainly because of all the problems the AI can cause with even just 1 missed turn.

[dumbluck]

Everyone needs to check the game forum on PBW. There is an important discussion going on there, and everyone needs to be informed of the circumstanses.

[dumbluck]

That goes for you, too, Mardik.

[Fyron]

4 Posts in a row Dumbluck. Sheesh.

I guess this is supposed to be a BUMP.

[Rich04]

Mardik is unable to reply. Having to relocate across the country. He was hoping to have till the end of October before he would have to leave any games he was in. However events transpired that forced an early departure. He didn't even get a chance to post goodbye in any forums. I doubt any of us will hear from him before next year when he will have access to his computer again.

I have read the game forum. So here is my takke.

In that Surrender was never disabled I would say allow his wishes. Duke Fleed pretty much recounted what I knew of things before my departure from the game.

Hell I would have turned my empire over to Darklight if I hadn't been so pissed off by events and hit the withdraw button.

Sometimes a smaller empire will latch on to a larger one that they would never be able to beat. Agreements may be made between the players that if one (player) leaves his empire will surrender to the larger entity. This is far preferable than just being crushed outright. If the cards are played right the smaller empire might even share a joint win with the larger.

Now I am not advocating surrender to some third party just because one is losing to another empire.

In this case it was just a different form of conquest. One accomplished diplomatically.

From what I understand Darklight and Ydath were allies for most of the game. Ydath was not losing a war with anyone. Both were sharing resources and tech with each other. Finally a merger happened.

To say that the only way an empire can surrender is when it is beaten to death by a larger opponent and then only to that empire is childish and narrow minded. Furthermore it isn't even without precedence. Many a time a larger empire can simply demand surrender of an empire while not at war in single player. If you are powerful enough it just surrenders. I guess some would say that must be a 'bug' and needs to be fixed.

No one should enforce thier way as the 'one true way' to play SE4. Unexpected events are what make the game exciting.

[Captain Kwok]

I agree for the most part with Rich04. Since they have been allies from the beginning and are sharing all resources and technology already - it's not going to make a difference to the game. Had this game not been roleplay...then I might be upset.

Plus, there's always:

You have become a threat to the other sentient races