Building an imprisoned immobile pretender

[lillumultipass]

Ok, I Have tried a few more builds:

1. Niefelheim: Son of Niefel (No oracle for them!), W4, D4, N4, Dom8, Ord+3, Prod+3, G+3, Cold3, Mis-3, Emprisoned
This one looks nice although I miss Astral magic; Above all since I don't think Niefelheim has an easy access to it, right?

2. Man: Imprisoned Oracle, A5, S9, Dom9, Ord+3, Prod+3, G+3, Drain3, Mis3.
The thing is, as I am doing this one, I don't think that Man has great sacred units...I will have to check that.

Maybe Tien Chi was not such a bad idea after all since the Warrior of 5 elements looks like a bargain at 25 Gold and 6 resources.

I am going to try Kailasa also...

[Graeme Dice]

lillumultipass said:
1. Niefelheim: Son of Niefel (No oracle for them!), W4, D4, N4, Dom8, Ord+3, Prod+3, G+3, Cold3, Mis-3, Emprisoned

What purpose is this pretender supposed to serve? The growth 3 is almost certainly a waste, since it's little more than a 6% income boost, while I'd check to see if your production of Jotun skinshifters, Niefel Giants, and Niefel Jarls is ever limited by resources, or just by gold before I took production 3. You could take an E9, N6 Cyclops and get a much superior bless effect if you didn't take the growth of productivity scales.

This one looks nice although I miss Astral magic; Above all since I don't think Niefelheim has an easy access to it, right?

Niefelheim has the Gygja, who have a very good chance of getting astral magic as their random pick.

[lillumultipass]

Graeme Dice said:

What purpose is this pretender supposed to serve? The growth 3 is almost certainly a waste, since it's little more than a 6% income boost, while I'd check to see if your production of Jotun skinshifters, Niefel Giants, and Niefel Jarls is ever limited by resources, or just by gold before I took production 3. You could take an E9, N6 Cyclops and get a much superior bless effect if you didn't take the growth of productivity scales.

True, I guess I am still influenced by my Ulm game where my troops where very resources-intensive and I had way too much gold compared to my resources. Thus, I might lower the productivity and growth sclaes.

But I think I am goind to start with ManLA actually since it has the Warden which looks like a good sacre unit, albeit expensive!

[dirtywick]

lillumultipass said:
But I think I am goind to start with ManLA actually since it has the Warden which looks like a good sacre unit, albeit expensive!

I don't think Wardens are all that great. They're stats aren't anything special (in fact, the Defender is almost universally better). They're stealthy, which is good especially since they have ranged attacks, good stats for stealthy units, so they can generally handle PD pretty well, but can't be blessed if you use them for raiding unless their leader is a prophet, which is bad. I wouldn't focus a bless strategy around them unless you plan on forging some Black Hearts.

[PhilD]

I don't know if native populations change significantly in LA (I've played all my games EA so far, I think), but in EA I seem to find enough populations with stealthy priests (usually they're also low mages).

[Endoperez]

Amazons, Tribal poptypes with mages and druid provinces all become much rarer in later ages. I'd quess trolls and cavemen and such disappear completely. Hoburgs of later ages have Hog Knights and such, and I'm not sure if they have those cheap priests any more.

[BigJMoney]

dirtywick said:
I wouldn't focus a bless strategy around them unless you plan on forging some Black Hearts.

Black Hearts give stealth?! I had no idea there was an iem in the game that gave stealth!

=$= Big J Money =$=

[Shovah32]

Not that i know of but maybe it does.

[dirtywick]

I thought it gave stealth and assassination.