Balance Mod to become Stock SEV Petition

Combat Wombat · #1 November 13th, 2006, 12:05 PM

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Captain Kwok said:
I agree. It would have been nice if someone e-mailed me prior to creating a petition on for the Balance Mod... I would have preferred to continue my e-mail correspondance with Aaron first about the subject rather than resort to an "antagonistic" approach.

You can keep doing that, none of this has gone to Aaron yet and it was never going to without your direct approval but its good to gauge how interested people are.

Captain Kwok · #2 November 13th, 2006, 12:53 PM

Honestly, I think it's too late for the Balance Mod to replace stock. It really had to be done before SE:V was released. To supplant stock at this point would be unfair to players who like stock, as they would no longer see there version of the game supported. Right now, the Balance Mod is easily available for anyone that wishes to play a different game and as such, both Stock and Balance Mod versions continue to be supported. I think at this point it would probably be best to include the Balance Mod with SE:V as an optional game type. I don't see any advantge on a community level to do otherwise.

Raapys · #3 November 13th, 2006, 01:13 PM

I don't know. Not having it stock makes it somewhat more difficult for people who want to make mods with the Balance mod as a base rather than stock. Also, stock still got major issues with for instance the AI's making crippling pacts with each other and such.

There's a whole lot of people out there who will be 'stuck with stock' and never bother with mods or looking at the game forums, too. If the Balance mod generally holds a higher quality than stock, like it does now( remember what Aaron said about modders doing things he could never have time for or do himself?) that's really too bad for the average SEV player.

I see your points. I just think it'd be worth it.

Combat Wombat · #4 November 13th, 2006, 01:26 PM

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Raapys said:
I don't know. Not having it stock makes it somewhat more difficult for people who want to make mods with the Balance mod as a base rather than stock. Also, stock still got major issues with for instance the AI's making crippling pacts with each other and such.

There's a whole lot of people out there who will be 'stuck with stock' and never bother with mods or looking at the game forums, too. If the Balance mod generally holds a higher quality than stock, like it does now( remember what Aaron said about modders doing things he could never have time for or do himself?) that's really too bad for the average SEV player.

I see your points. I just think it'd be worth it.

That is exactly how I feel. 90% of players if not more do not play any mods all they play is stock and the current stock is not good enough for the 90% of players who do not have mods. Also many mods use stock as their base and having such a sad stock will hurt alot of mods. While mods can use the Balance Mod as their base it just doesn't work as well. The ammount of people who like the current stock(who knows why) are far out numbered by the people that would benifit from having Balance Mod become stock.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

President_Elect_Shang · #5 November 13th, 2006, 02:20 PM

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Combat Wombat said:
...That is exactly how I feel. 90% of players if not more do not play any mods all they play is stock and the current stock is not good enough for the 90% of players...

I fully agree; in fact that was the very reasoning I had when I signed the petition!

Geez CW that twice in one day I have agreed with you. Did I wake up in an alternate dimension this morning?

AAshbery76 · #6 November 13th, 2006, 02:33 PM

BALANCE>STOCK.

Captain Kwok · #7 November 13th, 2006, 02:33 PM

I see the points you're making - but I think everyone (not just 90%) could be better served if the Balance Mod was just included as a game type with SE:V itself - either through a future patch or expansion.

Combat Wombat · #8 November 13th, 2006, 02:36 PM

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Captain Kwok said:
I see the points you're making - but I think everyone (not just 90%) could be better served if the Balance Mod was just included as a game type with SE:V itself - either through a future patch or expansion.

Everyone would be better served with Balance Mod being stock and stock being the extra gametype, we shall call it old stock or Unbalance Mod, hmm I think I may have something there

Phoenix-D · #9 November 13th, 2006, 02:45 PM

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Captain Kwok said:
I see the points you're making - but I think everyone (not just 90%) could be better served if the Balance Mod was just included as a game type with SE:V itself - either through a future patch or expansion.

And, since its higher in the alphabet, it'd show up by default in the mod list.

Shadowstar · #10 November 14th, 2006, 01:19 PM

The only problem here is that most serious modders will want to use Balance as the basis for thier mods. This works until Balance gets updated, at which point there is no clean and easy way to update the new mod's files accordingly. There is also the fact that most mods will be replicating Balance mod files with thier intalls, which wastes disk space. This would not be a problem if Balance was Stock.

If Kwok doesn't want Balance to become Stock, maybe there is a way to make the process of updating mods based on Balance easier? Perhaps make Balance mod something like the old Imagemod, and have it replace Stock files, but still be optional. After all, people who play Balance mod rarely ever go back to Stock. But there's no reason there can't be a way to uninstall Balance just in case.

EDIT: It occurs to me that Balance mod could be included in the new "Community Bonus Pack" or whatever that is being worked on as the SE5 equivalent of Imagemod.