Newbie Game EA (Running)

[Stryke11]

Let's not forget that even without glamour, Neifelheim is also using a bless rush to devastating effect.

Ironhawk. I'd enjoy playing another newbie game if the 'heims were disallowed or neutered, but also I think for a newbie game, a bigger map with some more breathing space would be nice, too. I never expanded enough to get comfortable, and it was just my bad luck to land in the middle of the map surrounded by other nations. Not to say a bigger map would guarantee more space and time for buildup, due to random placement, but it would hopefully give newbies like me who don't know bless strategy from greek and who need some living space to get the ball rolling.

I have considered that playing some "blitz" games with experienced players would build up my strategies and knowledge base in a hurry, but I don't even know how to get involved in one of those or how it works.

Just an OT and random idea, too: Ermor has sacred units that are heavy cavalry and recruitable non prophet priests who (iirc) have the three candles to mass bless, so maybe a dual bless would work for NF Ermor. Has anyone tried this? I assume since no one has mentioned it before that there is probably some reason why it wouldn't work. I kinda like Ermor as a nation and would prefer to learn how to make them great, at least for MP, then switch to an easier nation.

[Sheap]

One reason the 'heims bless so well is free points from cold scale which can go right into pretender magic, and low resource to gold ratio on their sacreds so they can take sloth too.

For the same reason, Ermor's not an ideal bless nation because it needs to buy expensive scales. The sacred heavy cavalry will be resource limited if you take sloth, plus Ermor likes neutral temp so can't take a bunch of temperature points, leaving the points for a bless in short supply.

Niefelheim bless works differently, but all the ingredients are there: Plenty of design points and high-cost, high-quality sacred troops that don't take a lot of losses in combat.

[Ironhawk]

Stryke11 said:
Not to say a bigger map would guarantee more space and time for buildup, due to random placement, but it would hopefully give newbies like me who don't know bless strategy from greek and who need some living space to get the ball rolling.

I explicitly chose a tight map for your first game so that you all could get experience. If you all had had 20 provinces to yourselves, wars would have taken forever (if they started at all). Whereas here, pretty much every player has fought one war, if not two. This will be invaluable experience, going forward.

This said, I had already planned on making the 2nd newbie game on a larger map. So you could take your combat knowledge and add long-term magic and strategy to it.

I have considered that playing some "blitz" games with experienced players would build up my strategies and knowledge base in a hurry, but I don't even know how to get involved in one of those or how it works.

Its pretty simple to get involved in a blitz game. You just go to the dominions IRC channel and ask if anyone there wants to blitz. Look at this thread for more details

The Dominions IRC Channel

In particular, DominionsFan gives a link to a web client which you can use for free and instructions on how to use it towards the bottom.

[Shovah32]

As ironhawk said, just go to the dominions IRC channel (its simply called dominons) and, if there are any players there some-one will probably be up for a blitz. They can also give helpful advice for playing and making strategies.

[Stryke11]

Thanks! I'll definitely check the IRC site out!

[FrankTrollman]

OK, I'm going to offer you a riddle, and an answer.

Here is the riddle: Now that your forward army is completely stranded deep in Tien Chi teritory, surrounded by armies which can crush it in the field, with no possible line of supply back to your home, how are you going to avoid having it be destroyed, along with the hopes and dreams of empire of Sauromatian children for generations to come?

For surely it can't possibly have escaped your notice that the armies to the East and West of you are capable of slaying (or at least hamstringing) gods, and your witch kings are not gods. The armies of Sauromatia cannot stand against the hammer and annvil of Tien Chi and there is no line of escape.

What may have escaped your notice, however, is the presence of a third army whose purpose was to be to bring to bare against Helheim should they retain their current stance of intractibility, but which in this case is quite likely to be repositioned merely to cut off any potential marching deeper into Tien Chi lands. Indeed, like a bird in a cage there is nowhere for Sauromatia to fly.

And so I propose instead an answer for you: like the bird in a cage you should sing.

Having been captured by your enemies of the Middle Kingdom it is only fitting that you should take this as an opportunity - to amuse them.

And here is what I would find amusing: join us. Your base treachery will be forgiven, ironically if you perform more treachery. If you turn on your allies in Arcocephale, we will allow you to escape into their lands, where we will even allow you to keep the lands that you conquer. If instead you choose to send your soldiers into Helheim, we will allow your men and your lands to stay in your hands.

We are willing to catch and release the Sauromatian army. Of course, we're also willing to serve it for dinner. If you wish to negotiate the release of your witch kings, you can email us:

ftrollma@ucsc.edu



The Great Catsby has Spoken.

[upstreamedge]

To Tien'Chi

For reasons I can not fathom our god Nagash was thourghly ammused by your letter. He kept on saying things like "cool" and "neat"(when you hear a lich say these things while laughing you will be unnerved to). Needless to say your letter has prompted Oceania to offer you an alliance, which is also funny because I do not think I have ever seen a flag of Tien'Chi before...

Well, that is what I was supposed to deliver.

[WSzaboPeter]

I send you my greetings and warmest salutations, wise rulers of Tien Chi and R'yleh. I'm interested in peace and open trade with your nation. Our armies have not met in the field of battle, but this may change in the future. To prevent that unfortunate event, I suggest an open peace and open trade treaty. If you don't accept I will not take it as an offensive act, it will NOT mean war, but if you accept it, it will benefit you. I beg your pardon for not addressing you separatelly, but my position with both of your nations is similar, since I recently found your borders, and we had no hostility in the past. If you wish to keep it this way in the future, please let me know.
Thanks a lot, I will be honoured beyond measure by your reply,
Dream Slayer, God of the Sons of Winter

[Ironhawk]

FrankTrollman said:
OK, I'm going to offer you a riddle, and an answer.

Hahhaha, funny stuff man

[Foodstamp]

WszaboPeter, You offered peace and trade and attacked me the next turn. Obviously, being drunk with power has blurred your perception of what peace is.

Your offer of peace was declined because we don't consider steps towards peace to include taking the province next to our capital, even after we ceased to attack you and ALLOWED your troops completely surrounded to find a way out of that situation.

As I have said before, you chose a cheeseball way to play this game, just like vanheim did (Versus noobies no less), and I am not going to flatter your ego with negotiations. You opted out of the diplomacy part of the game whenever you chose an overpowered strategy.

So sit back and talk about crushing people and being powerful. We both know it is a hollow victory, about as hollow as both of you guys ganging up on ermor.

As far as the gem trade goes, don't lie, we traded you 1 to 1. It would have been 50 for 50 if you were not blazing a trail into Pangaea lands. Instead, because of YOUR lack of diplomacy, you get 25 for the 25 you sent us.

You can try to discredit me all you want, but ALL of the nations that have dealt with me know I deal on an honorable basis.

If Neifelheim wants peace, it is very simple, they must move back to the southern continent. The place that I told you I would not venture into as part of our peace.