FREEDOM! (Turtledove's Alt WW2)

MarkSheppard · #1 November 25th, 2006, 12:24 AM

Flag for the Empire of Mexico (Basically, they really don't appear much in turtledoves Alt-WW2, except as operating as allies of the CSA with very weak equipment in mostly anti-black guerilla roles.

MarkSheppard · #2 November 25th, 2006, 12:38 AM

Quick Run down of the Players:

France has had a royalist revolution; since there was no "official" flag for France before the Revolution, i used the naval jack as a stand-in.

Empire of Mexico. They're CSA allies ever since the CSA saved Maximiliano of Hapsburg from defeat by Republican Troops.

Republic of Quebec. Gained it's independence in WWI when the US invaded and Occupied Canada. Currently is neutral in WWII; but was heavily involved in WWI. It remains to be seen if they'll get into WWII (one more book to go)

Mormon Flag.

They're currently in a guerilla war/uprising/rebellion against the US.

MarkSheppard · #3 November 25th, 2006, 01:21 AM

This looks like a relatively straightforward total conversion, since Turtledove uses analogs of OTL military equipment wherever possible.

For example, the CSA uses dive bombers which strongly resemble the Stuka, the US uses Thompson SMGs, etc; the USA's Mark 3 Barrels resemble a panther, etc.

Mobhack · #4 November 25th, 2006, 01:06 PM

from my recollection - the Mk3 barrels had a "2 inch gun" - so probably more like the Pz3 (50mm) than panther?. The USA tanks seem to have been more like the M2/M3 mediums of OTL.

But you are right - he seems to use OTL kit, very thinly disguised, which probably saves him re-inventing the wheel.

Cheers
Andy

MarkSheppard · #5 November 26th, 2006, 04:27 PM

But you are right - he seems to use OTL kit, very thinly disguised, which probably saves him re-inventing the wheel.

Using OTL kit isn't that bad; because if you design an aircraft, weapon, or whatever to meet a specific set of requirements, you will end up with something very similar to OTL.

What I don't like is how he took the lazy route out and simply re-used the Stuka from OTL, right down to the fixed landing gear, and the cranked gull wings for the CSA "Asskicker".

The CSA wouldn't want such a short ranged aircraft for their dive bomber....this is North America, where range is far more important than in Europe...so it would look more like a SBD Dauntless Analogue, or a SB2C Helldiver analogue....since they'd need the extra range to drive deep into the USA, rather than just the border states....

RecruitMonty · #6 November 27th, 2006, 04:54 PM

"OTL"? Whats that?

MarkSheppard · #7 November 27th, 2006, 05:17 PM

OTL = Our TimeLine