Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

[mivayan]

Dedas said:
But the blade wind is only there to take care of the mirror images, and they only have 1hp. Or am I misunderstanding something?

I'm not sure if you do, but anyhow, here's an overly ironic description of events:

Edinnausagga the Oracle of the Ancients casts blade wind, the air fills with sharp whirling blades.

Bob the Hirdman, standing in the middle of his 25 friends in the EA vanheim army, sees some of them coming straight for him.

Fortunately, half of them manages to pass through the fake mirror image of himself he has created. The mirror image is intact.

*CLONK* some of them hits his shield. His mirror image is intact.

*THUD* some hits his armor but luckily none draw blood (somewhere around 1/3 wont harm him). His mirror image is intact.

*OUCH* one gets through to harm him, his mirror image is gone.

edit:

But as neither protection or defense will be of any use when calculating if a unit is hit or not (I say hit, not damaged) by arrows/bolts/stones/etc,

There's no difference between hit and damaged for mirror image removal.

[Dedas]

mivayan said:
There's no difference between hit and damaged for mirror image removal.

Then - as I wrote - all you need is high precision archers/slingers or whatever you can get cheap, put them relatively close and fire away. After that send in your troops as usual, preferably with some chaff first to build up fatigue on the Vans to get their high defense down.

[mivayan]

Ah, sorry, what I mean is, an arrow that doesn't remove a hitpoint will never remove mirror image.

[Edi]

The problem with the chaff strat is that you need to spend many times the resources required for the vans in order to get even a scratch, Dedas. Run the goddamn numbers through a test game like Graeme Dice and Huzurdadi said and see for yourself. TRY IT OUT with the bloody chaff instead of just pontificating from your chair.

Huzurdadi gave us the results with C'tis troops and the numbers don't lie. What's your excuse for not running a battery of tests?

Edi

[Dedas]

Edi said:
The problem with the chaff strat is that you need to spend many times the resources required for the vans in order to get even a scratch, Dedas. Run the goddamn numbers through a test game like Graeme Dice and Huzurdadi said and see for yourself. TRY IT OUT with the bloody chaff instead of just pontificating from your chair.

Huzurdadi gave us the results with C'tis troops and the numbers don't lie. What's your excuse for not running a battery of tests?

Edi

My excuse is that I'm very new to this game and trying to help the best way I can, and that is by speculating alot and coming up with fresh ideas. Of course, most of the things I think of (with my lack of experience) you can naturally dismiss (as they will not work), but maybe one or two may have something, just a tiny drop of something, that actually can... work.
Or just ignore me if you want to.

I understand now that chaff is just a waste of resources and gold on the Vans. But can't you (with magic) raise their encumberance in some way?

[Edi]

Yes, you can, but that kind of magic needs research, which requires time, which means that if you have a problem NOW, you won't be around anymore after the 6 or 7 turns required to get your research that far.

The whole point of this is that if and when you run up against hard numbers the likes of which Huzurdadi brought into the discussion and others have already raised many of the points you have been saying, you will eventually get yelled at. Because the numbers generally don't lie and they tend to need answer in kind, i.e. actual test results.

Edi

[Aseth]

will test within fiew days...

[B0rsuk]

How about this:

FFA Sulphur Haze 2 Evocation
4+ area cloud doing poison and (I think) fire damage.

If only they would stop for a turn... I know paths are a bit awkward, but Phoenix pretender can do that.