Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

[Foodstamp]

@beorne

I love tuatha as well, but I am afraid that vanheim/helheim may RUIN tuatha for us because the sidhe may not have glamour this time around due to the issues with those two nations.

[Dedas]

A balanced game does not necessarily mean that it will be dull and colorless.
And yes, I do understand that it is very hard to balance such a big system as this and still keep its "magic" intact. But please do remember that hard does not mean impossible.

[HoneyBadger]

I don't agree that they're overpowered, but then I haven't done any multi-playing with them. In certain directions, yes, they are very powerful, but they have exploitable weaknesses-weaknesses exploitable by most, if not all, nations. What I have done is discover that their are plenty of strategies out there-the most direct and obvious to use heavy tramplers-which beat Helheim. I still think this whole thread is premature. I'd like a chance to multi-player with them and against them, for one thing, but I don't feel I know enough about the game as a whole to give a good objective opinion yet, or to put up a good fight, not because Helheim's strong, but because I don't know enough. That's going to take time.

[HoneyBadger]

By the way, my whole point of playing against SP isn't to say that SP is in any way a model of MP, it's not. It's to compare the troops side by side-and I've set all Helheim opponents to F9/W9-and see how they do in the AI combat environment. You can't tell how a human is going to think by doing that, but you can tell a lot about how the game works, and how I respond to the Helheim nation, itself. Objective results are several degrees harder to produce in a multi-player game. All I want to know right now is how the cost of Helheim blessed troops compares with the cost of other troops, how strong their province defense is, how they hold up to arrows, tramplers, magic, etc. I want a chance to compare each and every nation in SP, and then I can have a better understanding of MP.