Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

Teraswaerto · #1 December 14th, 2006, 01:53 PM

Increasing resource costs seems necessary, like Inigo Montoya said. It may not make much difference balance wise, but should be done anyway, in addition to any other changes.

For example, the 12 resource cost of Helhirdings seems so low when compared to the norm as to be a bug.

Edi · #2 December 14th, 2006, 02:07 PM

It seems like there is something of a consensus on the issue of sacreds needing to be capital only but non-sacred cavalry could be recruitable everywhere. It'd be just a matter of adding one more unit to the roster and adding it to the problem nations as well as tweaking the costs of the sacreds.

I think that would make most people happy while retaining all of the thematics of the nations in question.

Edi

Corwin · #3 December 14th, 2006, 02:08 PM

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Teraswaerto said:
Increasing resource costs seems necessary, like Inigo Montoya said. It may not make much difference balance wise, but should be done anyway, in addition to any other changes.

For example, the 12 resource cost of Helhirdings seems so low when compared to the norm as to be a bug.

Actually it may have a significant impact on balance. To get F9/W9 bless one of the first scales that tend to go is productivity. As of now everybody plays such strategy with Van/Helheim with Sloth3, since there is no much need for higher resources.

If resource cost of sacred cavalery would increase, it would be impossible to hire many sacred units in the capital on high Sloth settings.

That being said, I do not oppose resource increase for Helheim and ME Vanheim that Inigo suggested. Perhaps some combination of resource and money cost increase might be the best solution.

Ozymandias · #4 December 14th, 2006, 02:13 PM

I sort of like the idea of making Van capitol only and adding a Mounted Vanir Hirdman unit to ME Vanheim. Alternately, I think that a twenty to thirty gold price increase on Van and Helhirdling wouldn't be an excessive nerf. Both would likely be too much. Restricting Van to capitol only would likely mean that at least some ME Vanheim players would switch entirely to the nonsacred cavalry, and probably field a really souped up Allfather again. Increasing the cost wouldn't change the way Vanheim plays much, but might bring them in line with other nations expansion speed.

In any case I really really don't want MA Vanheim to take the sort of heavy handed beating that the Vampire Queen got when the dom 2 forum raised a similar fuss about her. Vanheim was my favorite nation in dom ppp; it would be terrible if they ended up as awesome flavor text on otherwise unusable and overpriced units.

Corwin · #5 December 14th, 2006, 02:29 PM

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Ozymandias said:
I sort of like the idea of making Van capitol only and adding a Mounted Vanir Hirdman unit to ME Vanheim. Alternately, I think that a twenty to thirty gold price increase on Van and Helhirdling wouldn't be an excessive nerf. Both would likely be too much. Restricting Van to capitol only would likely mean that at least some ME Vanheim players would switch entirely to the nonsacred cavalry, and probably field a really souped up Allfather again. Increasing the cost wouldn't change the way Vanheim plays much, but might bring them in line with other nations expansion speed.

In any case I really really don't want MA Vanheim to take the sort of heavy handed beating that the Vampire Queen got when the dom 2 forum raised a similar fuss about her. Vanheim was my favorite nation in dom ppp; it would be terrible if they ended up as awesome flavor text on otherwise unusable and overpriced units.

Whenever we talk about "vans" money and resource cost increase, it's important to keep it contained to MA Vanheim and Helheim, since same "van" units are also used in Midgard. However Midgard, as all people here seem to agree, is certainly do not need to be nerfed, since it is clearly much weaker than either Helheim or ME Vanheim.

Perhaps it will be better to have 2 different van units - one for EA/MA, which should be toned down, and one for Midgard, which should be left alone since nerfing it would seriously hurt the nation which is not overpowered in the first place.

B0rsuk · #6 December 14th, 2006, 03:08 PM

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Ozymandias said:
Vanheim was my favorite nation in dom ppp; it would be terrible if they ended up as awesome flavor text on otherwise unusable and overpriced units.

I know Dominions2: SC's and Dominions3: F9W9, but Dominions:PPP ? What does PPP stand for ?