Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

[PhilD]

alexti said:
that's a simple geometric serie and the limit was known very long time ago, not sure if the fable predates this knowledge or not.

Actually, the mathematical status of series, and infinites, and limits, was a problem until surprisingly recently. One version of the story was from Jean de La Fontaine, a 17th century French fabulist; at the same time, mathematicians knew how to take limits of sequences and series, but typically did not do this rigorously.

[alexti]

Wasn't geometric progression considered by Euclid? Unlike most serie analysis it doesn't require rigorous definition of limits and infinities. Rather obvious multiplication by (1-p) allows to find the limit through other means, but I'm again uncertain when those techniques were developed.

[Valandil]

Ignore. No idea why I said 1/0.

[Olive]

I've tried to cast body etheral on vans (with midgard) and mirror image seems to be turned off (some vans on the battlefield look like they were hit). Am I wrong ? (maybe did they receive some arrows). If it's true, is-it the same for all buffs ?

[Sombre]

Woah, necro-bump.

[Olive]

Yup. Didn't remember it was so old.

But the question seems fitted to this thread.

[HoneyBadger]

I do that all the time-I figure as long as it's Dom3 material, it's fair game.

I had a lot of good ideas a hundred years ago! why go to all the trouble of coming up with new ones, when I can just dredge them up?

[Saxon]

Velusion,

Oh yes, I am preaching to the choir, I am even part of it back on page 6 or so! The only reason I posted is to highlight that the nation is even stronger than I thought it was when I joined the choir...

HB,

You are right, it would be better to boost everyone else, but I think that limiting just one is probably a simpilier answer. Also, for the single player crowd, Vanheim (like Ermor in Dom II) does seem to really stand out as needing attention. In MP, it is different. It makes balance even trickier.

[Meglobob]

I would like to eat humble pie and say I have completely changed my mind on Helheim/Vanheim, they are overpowered. I am in 3 MP's at the mo and in 2 Helheims totally dominating the game. In another I am playing EA Oceania, fighting Helheim and its like banging your head repeatedly against a brick wall.

Furthermore, a very nasty strategy seems to have developed when playing Helheim. Essentially, Helheim gets globals up as follows, in one game forge of ancients then well of misery by turn 30'ish. In another well of misery/eternal pyre.

The thrust of this strategy seems 2 fold, research construction to get the unque artifacts/general bling, research conjuration to get all the water, air queens, tartarians and earth kings, fire kings etc....

So you end up with a MP in which Helheim has a huge gem income and a multitude of supercombatants, kitted out and is of course Helheim on top! Unless basically everyone else allies against Helheim, which players seem disinclined to do lately its game over.

The speed of Helheims research is very, very scarey...

[B0rsuk]

I strongly disagree. Boosting everyone else (or just some weaker nations) is a baad idea.

If you simply tone Vanheim down, you're changing balance of Vanheim vs C'tis, Vanheim vs Machaka, Vanheim vs Marignon, Vanheim vs Bandar Log.... In short, Vanheim vs EveryoneElse.

BUT if you decide to boost, say, Bandar Log and Ulm, you're changing over 2x more balance relations. Bandar Log vs (EveryoneElse-1), Bandar Log vs Ulm, Ulm vs (Everyone Else-1). Geometric scale ! Why balance several things at a time if you could safely balance just one ?

Meglobob: this is very interesting, because some people argued Vanheim/Helheim should rule early game because they supposedly don't have late game.