WinSPMBTver3.0 Info

[przy]

Don, keep up the good work, don't mind the ramblings of a troll. Honestly, I don't even know why you all respond to him, hehe

[Djuice]

From post 2007 onwards does the Russian receive T-72BM (2006) and T-80BM (2006)? In regards to Orbat..

Oh yeah, do they also have BMPT?

Here some pictures of the T-72BM (2006)

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vid5xe4.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bort4bu6.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shtora1or5.jpg

It's a T-72B upgraded with 3rd generation Relikt Hvy ERA, some 80-90% superior then K-5 Hvy ERA against APFSDS accord to Nii Stali (manufacturer). Nakidka camoflage kit, SLAT/Grill armour over the rear-sides, 2A46M-5 125mm Gun major improvement over the 2A46M-1 with 20% increase in accuracy, comes with muzzle references, new FCS + TI, shtora Anti-missile defence, and new engine 1000hp.

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Expand the question. What are you referring to ?

Don

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Djuice said:
From post 2007 onwards does the Russian receive T-72BM (2006) and T-80BM (2006)? In regards to Orbat..

Oh yeah, do they also have BMPT?

Here some pictures of the T-72BM (2006)

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vid5xe4.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bort4bu6.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shtora1or5.jpg

It's a T-72B upgraded with 3rd generation Relikt Hvy ERA, some 80-90% superior then K-5 Hvy ERA against APFSDS accord to Nii Stali (manufacturer). Nakidka camoflage kit, SLAT/Grill armour over the rear-sides, 2A46M-5 125mm Gun major improvement over the 2A46M-1 with 20% increase in accuracy, comes with muzzle references, new FCS + TI, shtora Anti-missile defence, and new engine 1000hp.

And how does this T-72MB differ from the T-72BM1 that is already in the game in a number of different versions ? Units 621 and 622 for instance ? and how does the T-80"MB" differ from the T-80UM ? I've found references to the T-72bm but asside from chat rooms nothing on the T-80BM

As for the BMPT, It's already in the OOB's you have now ( unit 879 ) I didn't have a pic for it but I do now.

Don

[Djuice]

And how does this T-72MB differ from the T-72BM1 that is already in the game in a number of different versions ? Units 621 and 622 for instance ?

The new T-72BM has superior armour compared against the T-72B(M) 1989 model, its gun is also more superior, and the FCS is comparable to the T-90A/M variant. It has superiors mobility and with the new comoflage kit, it reduces the rdr/ir signiture of the vehicle greatly therefore reducing its ability to be detected via radar/TI systems. Also Russian only upgrade, not for export.

The T-80BM is inferior in comparison to the T-80UM, only thing is known about it is that its updated the older stock of T-80B in Russian inventory with upgraded armour. Don't think it has updated FCS nor TI. Its fitted with modular Relikt Hvy ERA, which is superior then the older Kontakt-V ERA on the older tanks. Also only a Russian upgrade.

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Djuice said:
The new T-72BM has superior armour compared against the T-72B(M) 1989 model, its gun is also more superior, and the FCS is comparable to the T-90A/M variant. It has superiors mobility and with the new comoflage kit, it reduces the rdr/ir signiture of the vehicle greatly therefore reducing its ability to be detected via radar/TI systems. Also Russian only upgrade, not for export.

OK....."The new T-72BM has superior armour compared against the T-72B(M) 1989 model"..... How much more superior ?? Equal to a t-80UM ??.... a T-90 ?? Is this in fact the "T-72BM1" we have in the game but without the upgraded armour or is the T-72BM1 a different vehicle ?

Djuice said:
The T-80BM is inferior in comparison to the T-80UM, only thing is known about it is that its updated the older stock of T-80B in Russian inventory with upgraded armour. Don't think it has updated FCS nor TI. Its fitted with modular Relikt Hvy ERA, which is superior then the older Kontakt-V ERA on the older tanks. Also only a Russian upgrade.

"inferior in comparison to the T-80UM" would be what we have as the T-80BV (unit 787 )but that doesn't have the more advanced ERA. I'm thinking that becasue there is a gap between the one BV we have ( unit 40 ) and the one in unit 787 that perhaps this one was supposed to be the BM but at the time it was put into the OOB's details were sketchy

Don

[Djuice]

Don't even think there is even such a tank called T-72BM1. There is the T-72B(M) which is a T-72B equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA.

Here is a pic of a T-72B(M) 1989 model, you cans see the differences. Tanks in the background are T-72B fitted with Kontakt-1 ERA.

http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?im...2bmby031sn.jpg

I regards to armour, Relikt is 80-90% superiors against LRP then the Kontakt-5, and just about the same against HEAT type warheads. So takes a T-72B without ERA and add the values up. Heard that Kontakt-5 adds around 150-180mm against LRP and about 350-400mm against HEAT. Relikt would be like 250-300mm against LRP, or somewhere along thoses lines. It's also features an anti-tandem warhead capability unlike the integrated Kontakt-5 ERA fitted on the T-72B, T-80U and T-90. It is also of modular design, allowing for quick removal and installation by field personnel, or crew.

The T-80BM seems to retain the current FCS as the older T-80B, only noticable difference is that it fitted with Relikt ERA, giving it more or less the same amount of armour as a T-80U with Kontakt-5 ERA. So it should have about 700-750mm of frontal armour against LRP or around that. Greatly increasing its survival in a modern battlefield.

Here's a pic. http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8...drelict1hx.jpg

Edit: Also coverage of the frontal turret has improved from 50% on the T-72B with Kontakt-5 ERA to around 60-65% with Relikt.

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Djuice said:
Don't even think there is even such a tank called T-72BM1. There is the T-72B(M) which is a T-72B equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA.

Here is a pic of a T-72B(M) 1989 model, you cans see the differences. Tanks in the background are T-72B fitted with Kontakt-1 ERA.

Djuice said:
The new T-72BM has superior armour compared against the T-72B(M) 1989 model,

Djuice said:
It's a T-72B upgraded with 3rd generation Relikt Hvy ERA, some 80-90% superior then K-5 Hvy ERA

OK lets clarify a few things one of the real problems with sorting out Russian equipment is the nomenclature

Is this the progession you are talking about

T-72B basic model no ERA
T-72B(M) first upgrade around 1989 equipped with Kontakt-1 ERA ( or is it Kontakt-5 ERA?? )
T-72BM 3rd generation Relikt Hvy ERA in abouts 2006

??

Answer quick, the patch is built tomorrow......

One last thing. In the game the "T-72BM1" version has VRRSS and the "T-72BM" does not. Which of these models carries a VRRSS type defense

Don

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Djuice said:
Don't even think there is even such a tank called T-72BM1. There is the T-72B(M) which is a T-72B equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA.

OK I have this sorted out now . FYI the only difference in the OOB's you have now between the tanks marked T-72BM and T-72BM1 is that the BM1's have "VIRSS" and the "BM's" don't. I have left those but remamed them ( and the "BM"s ) so that players have a choice. If they want the "VIRSS" they can have it if not, they don't. They may all have it....or not. This is a compromise. Removing units causes problems with scenarios if that unit is used and I think in this case it's an acceptable compromise. For those tanks there is now a T-72B(M) and a T-72B(M)* the * in this one case indicates it carries defensive measures.

The T-72BM has been added. We do not model "third" generation ERA. a single digit number is simple era and 11-19 is all "advanced" ERA The compromise to this improved ERA is to increase the number. In this case it now has an "18" for ERA.

I assume the Missles stay the same or have they been upgraded as well?


Don