Neo Standard for SE V?

Fyron · #1 January 31st, 2007, 04:41 PM

A lot of SE4 ship set authors never bothered with neostandard images, due to the extra work involved.

Shadowstar · #2 January 31st, 2007, 04:53 PM

I think I will just have to require everyone to find a hosting site for their shipsets. I have a limit of 50MB of space on my website, and I have the feeling I'm going to use most of that just with the mod alone. Large shipsets shouldn't be a problem since I won't be sending them out with the pre-game patch, I'll just give everyone the links to where they can download them. This was something I couldn't do in SE4 because several players who made thier own sets had to email them to me. That's kind of an old and inefficient method and hosting is cheap and easy these days. I don't think anyone will have any trouble finding a site to put thier shipsets on, especially if they are good. Hey maybe I can even use my mod to pimp some of those sites. Could be good cross-publicity...

President_Elect_Shang · #3 January 31st, 2007, 05:09 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:
A lot of SE4 ship set authors never bothered with neostandard images, due to the extra work involved.

Ah crap I never finished my thought. I wanted to say "So either they will go the whole distance or stick to doing the Stock set requirements." I had to wrap it up and get the kids.

Fyron · #4 January 31st, 2007, 05:16 PM

Wouldn't it be better if it was less of a gorge to cross for full implementation?

President_Elect_Shang · #5 January 31st, 2007, 05:26 PM

Can't argue with that one. But is that really a reason to short stick ourselves and the players?

Fyron · #6 January 31st, 2007, 05:42 PM

Short stock how? An author that wants to go all out could do both the neostandard and the neostandard++. We just want to provide a tight set of distinctly new hulls that would be the most useful to general modding. All the extra stuff (like war cruiser) could go into the neostandard++. We aren't suggesting that noone should make such images, just that we should provide a core set of the most important ones.

President_Elect_Shang · #7 January 31st, 2007, 07:00 PM

Short stick in the sense that we set the Neo++ to low. Shorting ourselves out of those models the few would have created had it been higher. Set the Neo (NEO+ or whatever) to a more reasonable level. Set the NEO++ as the "Cream of the Crop" and let everyone know from the start that it is a point to aspire. Not something they must do. Set up the NEO+ and NEO++ that way and everyone wins! If all else fails a shipset maker can still fall back on Stock standards.

Atrocities · #8 January 31st, 2007, 11:53 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:
A lot of SE4 ship set authors never bothered with neostandard images, due to the extra work involved.

I don't think that is a correct or fair statement. There is no direct proof that they didn't want to make more ships, they just didn't. That is unless they posted that that was why they never made more ships.

President_Elect_Shang · #9 February 1st, 2007, 01:16 AM

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Atrocities said:
I don't think that is a correct or fair statement. There is no direct proof that they didn't want to make more ships, they just didn't. That is unless they posted that that was why they never made more ships.

Good point Atrocities. I still think in the end it will depend on the resident shipset expert to give the final call. Which is you! Fyron and I and everyone else can beat this subject to death. I think you should spell it out for us. What is the Neo+ and Neo++ going to have? What do you want from us modders? Once you have what you need from us push ahead with the project. You will be the leader setting the standard for SE5. As I said already, this is the realm of the shipset maker. Take what we modders say with a grain of salt.

You know how we love to piss and moan between each other anyway.

Fyron · #10 February 1st, 2007, 02:33 AM

I think the modders are a bit more important than shipset authors in determining what the neostandard needs... Shipset authors that are so inclined will make whatever modders ask for. What will be used by modders is what the neostandard needs to be. The goal here was to see what modders needed, then we could come up with a list. This most certainly shouldn't be determined by just one person.

Atrocities said:
I don't think that is a correct or fair statement. There is no direct proof that they didn't want to make more ships, they just didn't. That is unless they posted that that was why they never made more ships.

Well, I've spoken to a number of ship set authors about this stuff in the past... Some didn't have the time, some didn't care about making extra images. Others did. Remember, the vast majority of SE4 ship set authors only made one or two sets.