OT: Season 3 BSG

[Ragnarok]

AgentZero said:

Edit: I just wonder why they made such a big deal about Starbuck's 'special destiny' right before they killed her. Now we'll never know WTF was up with that painting!

I highly doubt that we have seen the last of Starbuck. With all of the talk about her destiny as you mentioned, I suspect we will be seeing her again.

As for the way the show has gone lately...I have mixed feelings about it. I miss all of the action but at the same time it is nice to see some development of character. If it was all fighting all of the time there wouldn't be time to explore the battles that each individual is facing from being on the run for so long.

They just need to mix it up a bit more. Have one of these types of episodes every 3 or 4 weeks instead of 3 or 4 in a row.

And for those that aren't getting their fix from BSG...that's why we have Heroes and LOST. LOST is kind of dragging right now too, but Heroes...each episode is like...wow!

[Tim_Ward]

The series definately took a dip in quality around the mid season point with all the emo bull****, with otherwise interesting episodes (i.e. Taking a Break from All Your Worries, with the Baltar mind-[censored] sessions) marred with Starbuck and Lee's angst-fest, but this most recent episode was back up at season 2/early season 3 levels.

[Uncle_Joe]

I highly doubt that we have seen the last of Starbuck. With all of the talk about her destiny as you mentioned, I suspect we will be seeing her again.

Yep, I agree. They foreshadowed it quite a bit when she was looking down and reaching for the ejection handle just before the ship blew up. It really wouldnt surprise me for her to pop back up somewhere in the future.

As far as the show in general, yeah, its definately missed a beat from where it used to be. My only hope is that the writers are following a little bit of JMS's B5 script and running a handful of relatively calm, non-arc episodes in order to really WHAM the audience when things start moving again. Its possible that Starbuck dying was supposed to be the WHAM though, in which case I dont think it really had the desired effect yet...

[Azselendor]

Actually, I would say the series dipped right after Resurrection Ship 1 & 2 but I don't blame RDM directly, but more to the point, I blame scifi for actually giving RDM longer seasons. He seems to work better when pushed to do more with less.

Personally, I think they shouldn't bring back starbuck -- except for flashbacks and such. A lot of people in other forums speculate she's a cylon, I hope not. I think Baltar's lawyer is a cylon (his back story matches those of the other cylons that gave BS stories).

Now David Eick said that episodes 16 & 19 are gonna be big for the upcoming film. So we may yet see kara's destiny.

[AngleWyrm]

Azselendor said:
Actually, I would say the series dipped right after Resurrection Ship 1 & 2 but I don't blame RDM directly

Near the end of Season Two, He stood upon his pile of poo, and enacted the tale of "Writers!? We don't need no steenkeen writers!". The ego-intoxicated Jack of All Trades went on to rediscover that, yes Virginia, "Jam Sessions" may have soul, but so does a well executed orchestra.

That was the beginning of the end. Self-Importance made an appearance in the form of Political Statement. We're so big we talk about national stuff--nevermind the tale. Then Tyranny set in, with the threat of firings, and so the Cylons were demoted from the realm of immortals (with genuine sci-fi interest) to just another 'them' that are also afraid to die. Just keeping the troops in line, I'de wager.

Without real material, the bottom-up scene assembly continued as a bluff of sorts. Mysteries began that had no finish. The blonde's adventure beyond the door of death promised to reveal a secret, but no joy. The woman left the show. The Eye of Jupiter was another mystery that didn't have any impact. The imperial social structure of 'born a miner, die a miner' was never resolved.

Baltar's "Am I a Cylon?" preview exhibited poor work in the editing room, and it looked like someone was pushing to make Baltar turn out to be a Cylon after all. Screw the characters. Nevermind that he made a Cylon detecter early in the first season. The Cylon Baltar didn't sell, and so the episode was a wierd cobbled together mishmash of dream scenes and whatnot, with a weak proof of humanity by behavior. The bad edits continue to be displayed in "Special Clips from the Cutting Room Floor" tacked on at the end. Commercial enterprise hard at work.

Ellen Tigh also left the show. And now it seems Kara Thrace has left as well. Rats, fleeing the sinking ship.

[Atrocities]

The whole show really took a nose dive with that whole new caprica bit. We lost something like a year of the show as the producers and writers tried to "re-invent" the series. They also needed to come up with a way to make Baltar a traitor and such. It really was a bad move even if they managed to give us a few cool episodes out of it. Overall though, it tanked the series.

[Tim_Ward]

AngleWyrm said:

Near the end of Season Two, He stood upon his pile of poo, and enacted the tale of "Writers!? We don't need no steenkeen writers!". The ego-intoxicated Jack of All Trades went on to rediscover that, yes Virginia, "Jam Sessions" may have soul, but so does a well executed orchestra.

That was the beginning of the end. Self-Importance made an appearance in the form of Political Statement. We're so big we talk about national stuff--nevermind the tale. Then Tyranny set in, with the threat of firings, and so the Cylons were demoted from the realm of immortals (with genuine sci-fi interest) to just another 'them' that are also afraid to die. Just keeping the troops in line, I'de wager.

Without real material, the bottom-up scene assembly continued as a bluff of sorts. Mysteries began that had no finish. The blonde's adventure beyond the door of death promised to reveal a secret, but no joy. The woman left the show. The Eye of Jupiter was another mystery that didn't have any impact. The imperial social structure of 'born a miner, die a miner' was never resolved.

Baltar's "Am I a Cylon?" preview exhibited poor work in the editing room, and it looked like someone was pushing to make Baltar turn out to be a Cylon after all. Screw the characters. Nevermind that he made a Cylon detecter early in the first season. The Cylon Baltar didn't sell, and so the episode was a wierd cobbled together mishmash of dream scenes and whatnot, with a weak proof of humanity by behavior. The bad edits continue to be displayed in "Special Clips from the Cutting Room Floor" tacked on at the end. Commercial enterprise hard at work.

Ellen Tigh also left the show. And now it seems Kara Thrace has left as well. Rats, fleeing the sinking ship.

You just made that up.

[Atrocities]

very good read and accurate.

[AngleWyrm]

Tim_Ward said:
You just made that up.

Well yes, sort of. It is my impression of the video blogs, and extra interviews from Sci-Fi Channel's Battlestar Galactica website taken together with what is happening in/to the series.

Atrocities said:
very good read and accurate.

Thanks, I had time to edit

Randallw said:
I didn't think he made a real Cylon detector.

Maybe; it wasn't entirely clear that he succeeded. He did spot Boomer as well, and the scene where Six tells him to request a nuke, he has an epiphany of understanding how it could work. So it seems possible that he succeeded. But then they undermined it with talking him out of testing the whole crew just cause it's easier. Also there was some talk of if he was a Cylon then his results could be a program of deception, so the detecter was basically neutered to keep the scare alive.

[Renegade 13]

Personally, I've never understood why all cylons wouldn't know who all the other cylons were. They're machines, it's not like their society was fragmented before the human-form cylons were created. So it follows that they'd know who everyone else was.