Suggestion: LE Ryleh - Dreamlands

[TirAsleen]

Missfortune seems always a bad idea, its really the least thing i pick. You don't get heroes and no gem events, your temples and laboratories are going to be razed by raze events. But i never tried missfortune3 with Ryleh, iam scarred by missfortune3. The maps i play are not big and my dominion is usually high set. I do that with BF ulm theme where i can have fortunetellers, but rather prefere good events that give additional gold and gems.

[Shovah32]

Taking misfortune is a bad idea when your going to end up with very small population...

[Folket]

I do not think LA R'lyeh are as terrible as you say. I have played them in one MP so far and I thought people would die off to fast for national armies to matter much, which was a terrible mistake.

R'lyeh dominion do kill off people but at a far slower rate then Ashen Empire. My test show that dominion kills about 0.1% per step. Each step on growth/death is 0.2%. So for the price of slowly killing your pop you get free chaff with very low upkeep. My test showed that upkeep is about 1 gold for each 20 free spawns. That is very low upkeep. Upkeep for most troops are 2 gold for 3 units, and 1 gold for 2 militia.

Also your illithids are resistant to insanity. They do get insane but not as much as other commanders. My tests also show that your god seem to be immune to insanity.

In general LA R'lyeh should be played like MA R'lyeh, just that later on you should stop building lobo guards when you have enough free spawns.

A build that could work for R'lyeh is
Wyrm E3
Dominion 10
order 3
sloth 3
cold 3
growth 3
misfortune 1
magic 1

growth 1/fortune 1 could also work. This build is to assure fast expansion. If there is plenty of water, then a dormant god with order 3, fortune 3 and lower dominion should work fine.

[Edi]

The Dreamlands freespawns have a gold cost of 1, some of them may have gold cost of 2. That means that in general every 15 freespawn costs 1 upkeep. It cannot get cheaper than that and still have upkeep.

Supply multipliers can be adjusted on a per game basis from the game options unless I remember wrong, and in any case it can be adjusted via mod so that you do not run out of supplies.

I do not see a need to alter LE R'lyeh in the manner suggested, because the request seems to stem from a particular type of game and the parameters probably do not apply universally.

[TirAsleen]

Just compare it to MA Ryleh, the insanity hits most of the time your own units. Insanity hits your own commanders, while ilithids are a bit resistent they get hit too. Its just a big hassle to play. Each round giving insane commanders of previous turns the same old orders back.

Now with MA Ryleh we do not have that. Also no need to take growth scales. Better control over upkeep. Just 1 gold per 15 unit? Its still too much. Cause you will have a lot of units with dom10. Play with lower dominion and there won't be that many. You will have a problem to build expensive castles too.

Oh, i am sure you can win with them, but better compare it to MA Ryleh and how much hassle it is to control them in LE compared to MA.

This is not a thread how to play LE Ryleh, btw. I am against upkeep for freespawns coming in such huge numbers in a high dominion, resulting in no control over your finances. Again cannot imagine how thematically those highly insane hybrids would use gold anyways, cause then soulless and longdead should be paid too.

[Evilhomer]

Ryleh EA needs a boost alot more then LA..

[Nick_K]

Aren't the starspawn illithids immune to insanity? IIRC it's only the regular non-magical commander who gets affected.

[TirAsleen]

Starspawns are only resistent not immune to insanity.

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Scale Design:

Cause the freespawns cost "insane" amounts of upkeep over time as you will have some hundreds with more provinces and high dominion quite fast -getting over 1000 gold for upkeep in no time is easy- you cannot afford negativ scales.

You NEED order3, growth3(or they starve for sure), and no cold or heat scales like its possible in ma Rlyeh. You want your freespawns on land so they can attack most nations, with cold3 they would starve and you cannot effort the gold income hit as easily as with MA Ryleh. If those freespawns would not cost gold upkeep it would be possible to build more castles for supplies, though.

Removing upkeep for freespawns is required and a good thing, people.
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Whats bad on early age Ryleh? Afaik bankruptcy and the problem of starving is non-existend there.

[Sombre]

I agree that LA it's a big hassle to micromanage, much like LA Ermor. You could mod a version of LA Ryleh which domspawns via units (domsummon) and doesn't have the insanity effects. That way if you didn't want any free spawns you could just avoid the units that make them, and you'd be free of insanity too.

Wouldn't be too hard to make a nation like that.

But for some reason people seem dead set against actually modding stuff. Maybe because it's 'unofficial', maybe because they enjoy complaining too much to try and fix it themselves.

[TirAsleen]

Well, playing a whole mod is a different concern. I play that if i want more changes and unusual changes changing the game expierence completely.

I ask for a fix and i do not want to play mod what should be fixed in the first place. Why a mod when i just want to see no upkeepf on LE Ryleh spawns? It should be rather offcial too.

No brainer so to say.

You compared LE Ryleh to Ashen Empire, while its a hassle to control the freespawns in both nations, in AshenEmpire they do not get insane and do not cost any supplies or upkeep. Imagine AshenEmpire with insane units that also cost supplies and upkeep and probably lower morale. Instant game over in a few turns.