OBAT 29 - Norway

DRG · #1 March 26th, 2007, 12:11 PM

........when did Norway buy c-130's and what did the Fallskjermjegere jump out of before that?

Don

Spike11 · #2 March 26th, 2007, 12:34 PM

The C-130s are about 40 years old, I'll see if I can find the exact introduction date (should be doable, there is a heated debate about transport planes over here at the moment - should we buy "new" C-130s now or wait a couple of years for Airbus to get the A-400M ready...). As far as I know, the Norwegian Air Force used Dakotas before the introduction of the C-130. However, I'm anything but sure about this and even less sure about the existence of paratroopers jumping from them. I'll have a look around some Norwegian military sites and see what I can find. The same goes for the para company question.

"Jeger" is what we use (as in "jegertropp" meaning "jeger platoon"). "Jegere" isn't exactly wrong, it's simply the plural form of the same word.

Spike11 · #3 March 26th, 2007, 12:58 PM

According to the Royal Norwegian Air Force and the Norwegian Aviation Museum, the RNAF sent transport aircraft to various international operations: Germany 47-53, Gaza 56-67 and the Congo 60-64. Unfortunately, these sources do not say anything about what kind of aircraft. Wikipedia, however, claims that the RNAF had some 7 C-56B/60As, 8 C-119Gs and 20 C-47s. These were gradually retired throughout the 60s, the final Dakotas in 1973.

Spike11 · #4 March 26th, 2007, 01:23 PM

The para training facilities were set up in 1962, but the first regular "fallskjermjeger" units did not appear until 1968. I've not been able to determine 100% whether they appear as companies, but it seems probable that this has been the case since 1971. This is, however, my interpretation of a few more Norwegian army websites. I'll dig some more.

DRG · #5 March 26th, 2007, 02:15 PM

If the C-130's are 40 years old and the "fallskjermjeger" units did not appear until 1968 it's a safe bet the "fallskjermjeger" jump from c-130s, It simplifies things somewhat.

I will need platoon and company organization.

Thanks

Don

Spike11 · #6 March 26th, 2007, 03:30 PM

I've done some more digging, and this is what I found:

1. The paratroopers are currently organised only as platoons, not as companies. Their equipment include the C8 rifle (my bad, thought I saw M16s on some pictures), M72s, Carl Gustavs, MP5s, various sniper rifles including the M82, and MG3s. They also use helicopters and the aforementioned AAMG MB jeep.
2. The assault divers (MJK - Marinejegerkommando) are organised much the same way with the same equipment plus assault boats. They are considered to be the toughest and best of the conscripted units in the Norwegian army.

So far, I haven't been able to identify the exact platoon layout. Sniper and scout teams exist, and even though these most likely operate as a part of the platoon, I haven't been able to confirm this. If the web doesn't take me any further, I think I'll send them a mail...

JohnHale · #7 March 27th, 2007, 04:21 AM

Don,

Norway's 6 C-130s were delivered in 1969.

http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/int_07.htm#Norway

DRG · #8 March 27th, 2007, 11:06 AM

OK, thanks. For the sake of one year I think either the c-130's are going to show up a bit early or the Paras a bit late.

Don

Spike11 · #9 August 5th, 2007, 05:30 PM

Bcck on track after a lengthy holiday and with the v3.5 in working order. Great! However, I discovered a couple of new things about the Norwegian armed forces, more specifically the new 5.56 rifle. It is certainly true that the FSK Special Forces use the C8, but the navy's elite units (MJK) apparently bought some G36s back in 2000 (this according to Wikipedia, but it does explain the fact that I have seen the rifle in the hands of Norwegian military personnel). Moreover, just after the 3.5 was launched, the Norwegian army presented the rifle they actually would introduce as the standard infantry weapon: the HK 416...

Minor stuff, but I hope you'll find it useful if you decide to make a 4.0 version...

Pats · #10 December 17th, 2007, 04:42 PM

I found a strange thing happening with the norwegian Bycicle Squads (Units 143 - 146).

When I play the game either side (Norway as Player or the AI) and having Bycicle units (Units class 172 + 179), their Icon in the game (not in Mobhack) apearing as a kind of Roller/Engineering Tank - and not as bycicles at all...

The Units also sound like tanks.