Insta-rout?

[narwan]

Hi Charles, any unit can completely panic (supr 99) from a single casualty. SS is not immune from that. It's just much less likely to happen with them. But sooner or later it will. That's why you've didn't see it before. Try a game with really low quality troops and you'll see it happen with some regularity.

Narwan

[Charles22]

If you say so, but as much as I've played this game, mostly with Germans, I had never seen it.

BTW, off topic really, but does every tank in this game come with smoke dischargers? I can't believe how many Polish tankettes have them. I look at the tanks using them, for example the 7TP, and I see nothing like that listed. It's getting to be a real nuisance. From what I remember of most earlier SP variants only some of the main later battle tanks had them (PZIV's, Panthers, Tigers, T34's etc.), certainly not something as early or as small as a 7TP. I think I even seen a tankette of the Poles that had nothing but MG's do it too, but I'm not too certain.

[narwan]

Charles22 said:
If you say so, but as much as I've played this game, mostly with Germans, I had never seen it.

I've seen it quite regularly, even a couple of times with japanese infantry or US marines.

[Ramm]

I have had the 99 supression from taking a single causality happen on only a few occosians, certanly under 10. All were very similiar to this: Just this morning at my home in Poquoson Virginia I advanced a sqd. of LMG troops (Star Troopers) and after being shot and taking 1 causality from a range of 50m (the next hex) from a defending german rifle sqd. they retreted with the maximum delux suppresion of 99.0 points.
Notes:
The germans were not dug in, but I don't think that makes any differnence
The LMG troopers sqd. were certainly not stock support troops, they had fought 12 prior battles. this makes a differance. Hence the star
They had 1 suppression to start out with! this is important.

Finially to conclude I think the Insta rout '99 just randomly happens on very rare occaisons regardless to a units name or their expeirence or their taste in fast food. Whereass normal routing 16-20-67-88, whatever, DOES have everything to do with prior suppresion, expeirence, wheither nor not the army is routed( I hate when that happens)

Plz post any respones polite or other wise, I love reading the forums and when people respond its very interesting.

P.S. sorry for speling got to run my professor hates late people.

[Captain_Insano]

I've had this happen to me before. I like to think that it's because the 1 casualty was the section's beloved sarge getting his head blown off or something similarly unsettling for the rest of the grunts. Maybe losing a medic would also cause this kind of mass panic. It doesn't happen very often but it is frustrating because then it takes several turns for that unit to get a clean pair of shorts and be ready to continue the advance.

[DRG]

Ramm said:
Finially to conclude I think the Insta rout '99 just randomly happens on very rare occaisons regardless to a units name or their expeirence or their taste in fast food. Whereass normal routing 16-20-67-88, whatever, DOES have everything to do with prior suppresion, expeirence, wheither nor not the army is routed( I hate when that happens)

Essentially, this is exactly what happens. It's rare and it's random and it's in the supression code because every unit, no matter how experienced, can sometimes break for "no reason".

Don

[dlazov]

OFF-TOPIC:

narwan

is that you from the old list?

if not forget I said a thing,

if not then Hello! -

if not remember me, then dlazov or zovs2002

Cheers

BACK ON TOPIC:

Yes, its random, I had a squad with 88% exp in a campaign with 8 kills, get hit take 1 casualty, go to 99, then the next turn I rallied it down, next turn it got hit by massive arty and took 6 hits and dispersed. Rare, but such is life...

[Charles22]

So any ideas about the very early Polish tankettes being laden with smoke dischargers? They are at least in the 7TP's case. The OOB's show nothing of the sort, and neither does the in-game right-clicking of the unit.

In case you don't understand what I'm saying, I wouldn't expect that the AI would take three separate smoke rounds and fire them in a V pattern around the front of the AFV. No, it appears they come out of thin air, just as if they were using smoke dischargers (not fired from the gun). As I said earlier, I think I even seen one that only had only MG's do it too.

I don't think any of the '39 Gerry tanks have them, but that is the mistake of trusting the OOB's to tell you the real deal. Perhaps if I hit the smoke discharging key, whatever that one is (yes, I can easily find out, I just don't use them myself) it will go off for any vehicle that doesn't have them? Since I don't use them, or almost never do, their overuse in my case doesn't bother me, it's the enemy AI using them like they're going out of style when they shouldn't even be available, that is bothering me.